tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post1271743955053645794..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching, Part 2Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-70054143248004035272018-03-02T16:23:14.602-05:002018-03-02T16:23:14.602-05:00You know what they say about people who assume...You know what they say about people who assume...Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-57199394207440520072018-03-02T16:12:28.335-05:002018-03-02T16:12:28.335-05:00Given your comments above about Beth Moore, intere...Given your comments above about Beth Moore, interesting to note that the following link, which you cite in one of your blogs about Beth Moore (or in the comments), you include the following link:<br /><br />https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/80-181/the-parable-of-the-soils<br /><br />I would encourage you to count the number of times the speaker/writer uses tag-end questioning at the end of a statement. Here are just a few examples: <br /><br />"But, that's not the end of the story or it would be a pretty stupid thing to be a farmer, wouldn't it?"<br />"After all, the good seed comes from Him, doesn't it?"<br /><br />"Christ is the most precious thing, and next to Christ the Bible which brings you Christ is the most precious thing, right?" <br /><br />Also, the speaker/writer interprets Jesus' words using very casual language:<br /><br />"Well Jesus told that simple illustration and then in verse 9 He said, "He who has ears, let him hear." Which is another way of saying, "Do you guys have any idea of what I've just said? Do you know what I'm talking about?"<br /><br />"This picture is so clear. Here's the person who has shallow faith...on the surface, "Whoa, this is great, I'm in, count me in, where do I sign? I like this, this is wonderful." <br /><br />Can we assume that you find this equally annoying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-68318912341152969752016-02-04T18:11:00.712-05:002016-02-04T18:11:00.712-05:00Of course I am not kidding about Billy Graham, or ...Of course I am not kidding about Billy Graham, or I would not have written it for the world to see. Anonymous, what makes *me* "SMH" is Christians like you with zero discernment and/or zero interest in being a Berean. Here is what you *could* have said that would display maturity, care, and concern regarding such a charge as I had made: <br /><br />"I am surprised you would say that about Billy Graham. Can you offer some information that would help me understand why you believe he is a wolf?"Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-75242559300991933982016-02-04T14:49:26.610-05:002016-02-04T14:49:26.610-05:00You're kidding about Billy Graham, right? A he...You're kidding about Billy Graham, right? A heretic? A wolf? SMHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-91702925849774342032014-08-08T18:40:32.457-04:002014-08-08T18:40:32.457-04:00Teachers to trust- Men
John MacArthur, gty.org. T...Teachers to trust- Men<br /><br />John MacArthur, gty.org. There are over 3,000 sermons there, all for free. He preached verse by verse through the entire New Testament! There is also a blog, devotionals, pamphlets, Q & A’s, and so much more to teach you the Word. You can also find topical studies there, for Christian living, tough Questions, Am I Saved, Discernment, and more. His sermons are video or audio, and there is a transcript under it so you can read or listen or both.<br /><br />S. Lewis Johnson, sljinstitute.net 1,500 messages on the Old Testament, New Testament, Doctrines, Christology, and Topical studies. There is an audio and a transcript underneath it so you can read or listen or do both.<br /><br />Martyn Lloyd Jones, http://www.mljtrust.org/sermons/ Same as above, thousands of verse-by-verse expositions on OT or NT, topical, and more. I loved his series the Great Doctrines, and also the series on Angels. He is especially known for his exposition on Romans. No transcript, unfortunately, only audio.<br /><br />Phil Johnson, John MacArthur’s executive director and teacher at MacArthur’s Sunday School. Phil is known for his exposition on the Psalms. http://www.thegracelifepulpit.com/PhilJohnson.aspx<br /><br />Don Green, a former teacher at MacArthur’s church, two years ago he planted a church near the Creation Museum and I think that is where they hold church. Since his church is new, he has spent two years preaching and teaching what it means to be a church member, what church is for, etc. I mention this because like Jim Murphy’s sermon above, knowing what the church is for and what is expected of us gives the biblical baseline and when or if your church goes off from there your discernment will be raised in alert. His sermons are here, http://www.truthcommunitychurch.org<br /><br />Todd Friel http://www.wretchedradio.com/store/ has a wonderful teaching series called “Drive By…” I have purchased Drive By Discernment and Drive By Pneumatology (Holy Spirit). The 'drive by' part refers to the fact that these DVDs or CDs can be listened to while driving and each lesson is structured so it isn’t longer than 10-12 minutes. They are manageable lessons on the subject. I listen when I’m doing the dishes. He also has Drive By Marriage, a great series on Anxiety and the Christian, Battling Subtle Sins, and much more. His prices are reasonable. The DB Discernment lesson series has over 70 lectures and it is only $19.99; or for immediate download without the CD it’s $14.99. The Discernment series is the best I’ve found on actually TEACHING discernment. Very biblical and lots of scriptures, so no worries there.<br /><br />There are many more but these should get you started!!<br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-28790647981371318872014-08-08T18:38:04.384-04:002014-08-08T18:38:04.384-04:00Here you go Tiffany. Thank you for asking. I'l...Here you go Tiffany. Thank you for asking. I'll separate this answer into two parts as it will be too long to fit in one comment. As with everything there are two things you always have to use in assessing these men and women: prayer and the bible. I trust these teachers but you use prayer and the word to test them yourself. <br /><br />Back To Basics: What Discernment Is<br />http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/01/back-to-basics-what-discernment-is.html<br />-----------------------------------------<br />Pastor Jim Murphy of First Baptist Church of Johnson City NY preached a mind-blowing sermon called “The Subtlety of Satan” two years ago. http://www.sagesolution2.net/fbjc/Library/20120708ABF.mp3<br />In it, he looked back over the last fifty years of church history to suggest the slow, incremental, and subtle changes that have created a theological crisis resulting in a move away from the foundational authority of the Word of God and into an experiential, emotional, and radically individualized form of Christianity. Not only will this review trace the consequences of the "little" erroneous theological conclusions that have defined the current struggle within evangelicalism, it will also define the way back to biblical Christianity. It is a great foundation for learning how and why our church body got this way, it doesn’t directly teach discernment but it does as you are led all the way back and you see how satan operates. I recommend it. Audio only.<br />Some extensive written excerpts here<br />http://steakandabible.com/2012/07/09/pastor-jim-murphy-tells-congregation-were-going-to-root-this-stuff-out-of-our-ministry/<br />-------------------------------------------<br />Mike Gendron at Proclaiming the Gospel, The Need for Discernment, short essay<br />http://www.pro-gospel.org/site/blogview2.asp?sec_id=180014816&forum_id=180003854&topic_id=180010842<br /><br />Todd Friel, Wretched Radio, Series Drive By Discernment. More below. <br /><br />Justin Peters discernment series titled Clouds Without Water. On this page Pastor Peters explains the seminar is about, http://justinpeters.org/a-call-for-discernment/<br />here is part of it on Youtube http://youtu.be/zrQT0pfoHOs<br /><br />--------------------------------------<br /><br />Teachers to trust- Women<br /><br />Judy Lunenbrink Sunday School teacher at John MacArthur’s Grace Community Church, Women’s Ministryhttp://www.gracechurch.org/media/?filter=speaker&id=386<br /><br />Kay Arthur Precepts for Life, programs, lessons, etc. http://www.precept.org/precepts_for_life<br /><br />Martha Peace, http://marthapeacetew.blogspot.com/ The page has free online resources such as Audio Teaching Sessions, Video Teaching Sessions, Counseling the Hard Cases, Downloadable Bible Studies, Salvation Worksheets, Sanctification Bible Study, Put Off/Put On Bible Study etc.<br /><br />Susan Heck 'With The Master'. http://www.withthemaster.com/ She is a biblical counselor, has resources available and studies (for purchase) and also is on the radio to listen for free. More at her page.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-52618495150018316962014-08-08T16:49:37.841-04:002014-08-08T16:49:37.841-04:00Hi Elizabeth, thank you for answering. Both would ...Hi Elizabeth, thank you for answering. Both would be wonderful. <br /><br />Thank you, <br />Tiffany Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-580661948674093952014-08-08T07:01:40.984-04:002014-08-08T07:01:40.984-04:00Hello Tiffany,
Thank you for reading the Beth Moo...Hello Tiffany,<br /><br />Thank you for reading the Beth Moore material. In the Mother-Link containing all links about Beth Moore (on the right menu bar), please be sure to read and/or listen to the links where the men have issues with her teaching. (MacArthur, Justin Peters, Mike Abendroth, Matt Slick...)<br /><br />Do you want a list of good teachers? or links that lead to pages that teach discernment? I can do both for you if you want.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-62768090473912042472014-08-08T01:04:15.886-04:002014-08-08T01:04:15.886-04:00Elizabeth, I'm working my way through your pos...Elizabeth, I'm working my way through your posts about Beth Moore. Can you please put together a packet or a page with links on discernment? I would sincerely appreciate it as I am very confused and unsure of what Christian teachers I can trust. <br />Thank you, <br />Tiffany Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-46813852290510675112013-10-26T09:54:17.968-04:002013-10-26T09:54:17.968-04:00I tried to do one Beth Moore Bible study, but want...I tried to do one Beth Moore Bible study, but wanted to bang my head against the wall very quickly. If I had to hear another 'Can I get an amen..." I couldn't finish the study. On speaking the Bible verses quickly, though, I have to say that, many Bible teachers do this, even John Macarthur. With him it seem to be uber familiarity with the verse, so he tends to fire it off really rapidly, which bothers me, not necessarily being so familiar with it.Kat Kanninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729127931898718711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-30210405510172230372013-06-27T08:48:45.838-04:002013-06-27T08:48:45.838-04:00Anonymous, yes Mrs Moore leads you into scripture....Anonymous, yes Mrs Moore leads you into scripture. Most false teachers aren't going to teach from the book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. The issue with her teaching is that she teaches the verses out of context and incorrectly overlays history on it (by spiritualizing the Old testament) in order to push a 'all about me' agenda. There is correct extraction of meaning from the Word, called exegesis, and there is incorrect teaching from the word, called eisegesis. More on that here<br />http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2011/07/troubled-by-beth-moores-teaching-part-6.html<br /><br />Moore is in the side of incorrect, eisegesis. Let me give you an example. The devil tempted Christ. (Matthew 4:5-6). The devil 'led' Christ 'into scripture'<br /><br />Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6 and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,<br /><br />“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’<br /><br />and<br /><br />“‘On their hands they will bear you up,<br /> lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”<br /><br />The devil had twisted the meaning of the passage he was quoting to suit his own agenda. He used it to throw at Jesus to use as a rationale to be forgiven if Jesus would do as the devil suggested, and tested God. Jesus knew the correct meaning and rejected the devil by using scripture correctly.<br /><br />There is a right way to lead a person into scripture and a wrong way. Knowing the difference is called "discernment."Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-62648022173578565152013-06-27T08:38:11.108-04:002013-06-27T08:38:11.108-04:00Most of everything that I get out of Beth Moore St...Most of everything that I get out of Beth Moore Studies lead me to scripture and I love that. She is very historically based and bible basedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-75130028874378765632013-06-13T16:21:24.696-04:002013-06-13T16:21:24.696-04:00I said "leaders", not Christian women.
...I said "leaders", not Christian women.<br /><br />I said *type* of speaker, not content.<br /><br />My point was even if those women know how to speak in a rhetorical method of gravitas with a secular message, how much more should Moore speak with gravitas having the holiest message of all?<br /><br />If you please prayerfully and carefully read before jumping to conclusions we will all be better off. <br /><br />So sorry you lost being open - and you lost it on a poor basis too, a personal opinion and not a biblical exposition. That's on you.<br /><br />Billy Graham is a liberal compromiser, a heretic,and a wolf who has damaged a century of the faith. Do not mistake popularity with grace.<br /><br />Graham:<br />http://www.freepres.org/pamphlet_details.asp?graham_facts<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gBTZljN0_Y&list=FLatdgBZ1YUVrgJPctJftLeg<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVPQOQvnG4&list=FLatdgBZ1YUVrgJPctJftLegv=3gBTZljN0_Y&list=FLatdgBZ1YUVrgJPctJftLegElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-56815030739397460502013-06-13T16:12:12.023-04:002013-06-13T16:12:12.023-04:00I was willing to be open to your criticisms of Bet...I was willing to be open to your criticisms of Beth Moore right up until this statement... "let's look at women leaders from Texas and see if they are fast-talking, jumping bean, let-it-all-hang-out leaders: Laura Bush? Lady Bird Johnson? Kay Bailey Hutchinson? Hillary Clinton? (Beth Moore was raised in Arkansas). Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor? Can't picture them being fast-talking, jumping bean, 'energetic and passionate' in front of a crowd in order to get an important point across? <br /><br />I have lost what little openness to your opinions I had and not as it directly relates to only Ms. Moore<br /> <br />But your use of Hillary Clinton as a roll model for any reason...do not mistake position with dignity and Christian Grace.<br /><br />I should hope that as Christian women we would immerse ourselves in the foundation of Christ so greatly that we would be far removed from the type of behavior and principles that Hillary Clinton exhibits there should be no comparison. <br /><br />Remember Billy Graham and the fired up preachers of old... well I do and Thank God for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-4246068866067422442013-05-13T17:02:33.166-04:002013-05-13T17:02:33.166-04:00Hi Robin,
Men attend her studies now. In addition,...Hi Robin,<br />Men attend her studies now. In addition, Mrs Moore preaches, filling pulpits at churches where men attend, and it is the Sunday Sermon.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79835080407594295812013-05-13T11:38:14.151-04:002013-05-13T11:38:14.151-04:00I took her online study years ago, and I recall he...I took her online study years ago, and I recall her only allowing audiences of women. Robin Baynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02640632701164428942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-37109349017364147912013-03-28T18:35:32.235-04:002013-03-28T18:35:32.235-04:00It's not 'nit-picky" to God how we ha...It's not 'nit-picky" to God how we handle His word and how we present it in a teaching situation. It is also not nit-picky how women are to behave. He put it in the bible. If you want to dispense with those particular commands, then be my guest. However I remind you, these things matter to God.<br /><br />Secondly, I have written about Beth Moore 17 times at last count. There is much to discuss about her supposed "deep study", because what comes out isn't deep. It's wayward-to-false.<br /><br />--There are issues with her alleged 'visions."<br />-Her Gnosticism<br />-Her improper teaching based on eisegesis, not exegesis<br />-over-allegorizing OT passages to apply to us where they do not apply to us<br />--contemplative prayer<br />-including Catholics in the body of Christ<br /><br />and more. A study or teaching that "reaches others" is not a reliable barometer as to whether it is biblical. Satan's theology "reached others". So did the eight men who Paul named as false teachers in just one book of the NT.<br /><br />No, her style isn't blatantly Biblical, but it is slightly unbiblical. It indicates a casualness and an ignorance of how we are to conduct ourselves. It is the first pass in the downward slide. Now we have churches where preachers come to the pulpit on a zipline to the tune of Highway to Hell. Is that just a different style? Some will say so. But "style" matters because how you treat the Word, the sermon, the teaching, and the pulpit is a manifestation of how you think of Jesus. That preacher didn't wake up one day and say, "gee, I think I'll zoom in on a zipline." He started sliding somewhere back along, wearing jeans maybe, swearing at the pulpit maybe. Don't for a minute think that these things don't matter. It is HOLY GROUND!<br /><br />It's up to you to see if these things are true. But don't dispense with them because you think they are too small a problem. Match up what she says and what she does based on the bible, not your opinion of whether these things are a "big" enough problem or not.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-39322301682637800092013-03-28T14:44:40.257-04:002013-03-28T14:44:40.257-04:00While I have taken several Beth Moore studies and ...While I have taken several Beth Moore studies and read some books, I'm not a Beth Moore "superfan" and really want to know the concerns people have about her. I look forward to your opinion about Beth's theology - where it really counts, but everything you've said here seems just nit-picky to me. <br /><br />I agree that the self-affirmation is annoying, and I wish she would do less of it. But, it's also a valid speaking technique to get your listeners to think about what you are saying on a more personal level in the context of their own experiences, and don't we want that in a Bible study? I don't think her intent is to demean the authority of the Bible at all. <br /><br />Regarding whether she is dignified -- yes, she does do a lot of the rapid fire delivery. But if you take her studies in depth like they are meant to be, the rapid fire is simply an introduction to something that she provides ample opportunity to study further, at a slower pace. I believe her personal stories help put scripture into a modern context, and since scripture seems outdated and archaic to so many, this is very useful. While I have laughed quite a bit during her video studies, she always brings it back to a serious level, and the "comedy routine" portion is short.<br /><br />Yes, the Bible provides guidelines for ministers. But God recognizes that we are all individuals with different learning styles (he made us that way). Do you really think that the Apostles delivered Jesus' message exactly the same way to Jews and Gentiles? Do you think Paul took the exact same approach in every city he went to throughout his travel? Of course not. And if all Christian teachers sounded alike, a lot of people would simply tune out the message today. I don't see anything blatantly un-Biblical about Beth's style. You may not like it, but if it reaches others, maybe it really is God-given and used for His glory. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-89851098172690357472013-03-27T01:12:11.110-04:002013-03-27T01:12:11.110-04:00Thank you, dear sister. It is indeed absolutely im...Thank you, dear sister. It is indeed absolutely important that we never compromise the Biblical truth with false teaching. I thought that is an obvious given in this discussion among all mature believers. Please forgive me for assuming that. <br /><br />I certainly agree to speak up for Biblical truth - in love. The fruit we bear in our lives are equally convincing and impactful, if not more than mere boldness in proclaiming the truth. May our God of all grace help us to minister grace and love to other servants of God. "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." Eph 6:12. <br /><br />While one could approach the person (in this case Beth Moore) directly and graciously to share one's sincere concerns, correct and restore(which is very biblical), let us discern the true spiritual warfare and direct one's energy in fighting it through intercession. <br /><br />The transformation power comes from God. So are grace and love.<br /><br />Grace, love and peace abound toward you, precious sister.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-56263667573555193882013-03-26T19:19:33.778-04:002013-03-26T19:19:33.778-04:00Anonymous, you're right, there are no perfect ...Anonymous, you're right, there are no perfect preachers. There is no one perfect except Jesus.<br /><br />However, that is a straw man argument precisely *because* no one is perfect. Responding to false teachings by saying 'oh well, no one is perfect' is saying that you accept anything anyone says. Because, after all, we're not perfect.<br /><br />False teaching is not "imperfection", is it infection. And alternately, seeking solid teaching is not seeking perfection. It is exalting Jesus. Learn the difference.<br /><br />What of the preacher who says Jesus never died? What of the preacher who says Jesus never lived? What of the preacher who says He is not coming back? That there is no hell? Is your stance then, 'Oh well, no one is perfect?' Hope not.<br /><br />We are commanded to test all things, and hold fast to the good. That means by definition, we let go of the bad. In your stance, you hold on to everything.<br /><br />Discernment means knowing the difference between a preference and false teaching which kills. If my church plays contemporary praise music (which they do) and I hate it (and I do), do I go to another church? No. It is a preference.<br /><br />The same is true for discerning the difference between preachers preaching false doctrine that is fundamental to the faith and things which are not fundamental and we can live with. THAT is the non-perfection we live with.<br /><br />For example, if a preacher at a pulpit states he is not sure if the rapture is pretrib or not (it is) then do I storm out never to return? No. It doesn't impact salvation. But if a preacher preaches something that is contrary to salvation, like that there are many paths to God, I DON'T say "oh well, he's not perfect." I address it.<br /><br />In 1 Timothy, Paul named eight false teachers, by name. Eight. Why? He loves his brethren and does not want them to be drawn away by myths and man-made words. Saying 'oh well, no one is perfect' is saying you do not care enough about your brethren to warn them from falling off the cliff<br /><br />I'd ask you to ramp up your discernment and pray for wisdom to understand what is required of us in these last days of heightened apostasy. Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-14128442286180404882013-03-26T13:35:38.737-04:002013-03-26T13:35:38.737-04:00There is no perfect preachers on earth. We are all...There is no perfect preachers on earth. We are all sinners saved by grace and work in progress. For someone who does not let her imperfection stop her from obeying God's calling to share and teach the Word of God, Beth may be grateful that God increases and she decreases. <br /><br />When our attitude is truly seeking God's kingdom and His righteousness, we can discipline our mind to focus on God's Holy presence and the ministry of His Word bypassing the imperfect channel. We can love and pray for our flawed brothers and sisters. God is exceedingly greater than our flaws. He used all flawed people including Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, David, Peter, and many more.<br /><br />When I came to the US nearly 2 decades ago, I was shocked by the American church culture and preachers' delivery styles. The flaws identified in Beth Moore are nothing in comparison with the flaws I see from church to church in much larger scale. <br /><br />Some people taking God's presence so lightly that they bring in their coffee mugs to the sanctuary (even go out to refill it and return to the seat); they chew gums throughout the praise/worship and sermon; they talk, they joke among themselves; young men and women running their hands up and down the backs and shoulders of their partners or lovers; they constantly checking their emails and visiting websites on their mobiles and iPads throughout the service. ...<br /><br />Most preachers (I have yet not attended a Sunday worship preached by a woman priest) start their sermons with silly jokes, current affair headline news, family news .... completely disregard the climax of worship that the Holy Spirit has orchestrated with the last worship song. I so wish more preachers will learn to ride on the waves of worship and declare exaltation, praises and honor to God Almighty before they start preaching .... forget those self attention-seeking jokes and news.<br /><br />Yet, I still attend these "imperfect churches", listen to "imperfect preachers", sit among the gum-chewing, coffee drinking, impatient lovers, email addicts, and others who treat church service as social gathering. You see, I cannot let the imperfection of the church (including myself) stop me from worshiping the Perfect God! It is our attitude that matters more than the flaws we see in others. <br /><br />There is no point to correct the behavior without changing the hearts. I learn to pray for these people to truly experience God and believing Who He really is. Right believing will lead to right living and right worship.<br /><br />The most constructive thing we can do to delight God when we see flaws in others, is to bring the concerns to our gracious Father with all humility (because we are flawed too) and love. Our Potter is shaping and perfecting us day by day. All glory to His patience and love to us!<br /><br />Easter victory - not what we can do but what Christ has accomplished on the cross for us! His finished perfect work for all. Praise and bless our Risen Lord!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-63366978596826455992013-02-09T10:13:24.034-05:002013-02-09T10:13:24.034-05:00Then you must also say woe to John, who 'criti...Then you must also say woe to John, who 'criticized' two women, and Paul, who not only 'criticized' false teachers but also Peter. "Judging" a person's doctrine is NOT judging someone's heart. We are called to be discerning, not excessively tolerant doormats who accept any satanic lie that comes along.<br /><br />Reverend Matt Slick wrote:<br />"But Christians are told in the Bible to separate themselves from the sinful practices of man and to expose error. "Examine all things and to hold fast to that which is true" says God's word (1 Thess. 5:21). So we do."<br /><br />You can read more about the false notion that we cannot "judge" here. We do have the right to make discernment calls with a right heart.<br />http://carm.org/do-we-have-right-make-these-judgments<br /><br /><br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54631540110796579072013-02-09T10:08:16.621-05:002013-02-09T10:08:16.621-05:00I think we are not to judge her calling and critic...I think we are not to judge her calling and criticize a woman God has chosen. She has to answer to God.....as you and I. Woe to us Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-38687734162875580582013-02-04T12:21:05.691-05:002013-02-04T12:21:05.691-05:00oh i hate that end-questions, ESPECIALLY when they...oh i hate that end-questions, ESPECIALLY when they are directed at a person. I once had a prophetess ask me in front of everyone, "Did you get anything out of my talk? Were you blessed?" And what was I supposed to say in front of all those women who had been so "blessed"??? "NO, I thought that was a whole tub of crock?"Carole McDonnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15443401088634718848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-90858511058853242552013-02-04T12:07:13.081-05:002013-02-04T12:07:13.081-05:00I know I'm coming across this entry late, but ...I know I'm coming across this entry late, but I really wanted to just say a resounding THANK YOU to you for making the point about tag-end questions and affirmation-seeking. <br /><br />I'm a woman who does not do this, has not done this for years, if ever. (I can't remember if I did back when I was like 12 or 13, and perhaps I did then.) It bothers me so much not only that other women do this but also that I'm perceived as being RUDE because I do not. I speak forthrightly ("let your yes be yes and your no be no") but ever since relocating to Tennessee from Indiana as a 21-year-old newly married woman I've been given to understand that assertive talk from women is "rude" or "undignified". The tag-end questioning is almost required speaking. And that bothers me. <br /><br />(This is saying that I'm "anonymous" but I'm trying to sign in with my Wordpress id. I'm Katherine Coble and can be found at mycropht.wordpress.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com