tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post253514165933001257..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: The latest Christian fad- Is wearing a sideways (horizontal) cross good, or bad?Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-83966389413885610602013-09-08T09:06:13.180-04:002013-09-08T09:06:13.180-04:00In addition, the original comment that used the wo...In addition, the original comment that used the word 'ick' was referring to two lesbians raising their child within their lifestyle. THAT is even *more* of an ick-factor because they are exposing children to perversion and abominations at such a young age, where the child will be quickly corrupted from innocence to perversion before they have the ability to consciously choose to disobey God. That is the ickiest thing of all, messing with the innate morality of children!Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-63242867628561238972013-09-08T08:59:57.739-04:002013-09-08T08:59:57.739-04:00Us saying "ICK" didn't convince you....Us saying "ICK" didn't convince you. You want a necklace because you want one. <br /><br />God said that homosexuality, and I quote, is an "abomination", "unnatural" and a "perversion." (Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-17, Jude 1:7). Unnatural perverted abominations *are* icky.<br /><br />There is a significant 'ick-factor' to homosexuality, one that the gay lobby and homosexual agenda has tried to diminish in favor of falsely promoting this sin as "love", "civil rights" ,and "marriage equality." There is currently a debate underway in fudnamentalist circles to remind people to reclaim the ick-factor when debating this sin with non-Christians.<br /><br />Mike Huckabee:<br />http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mike-huckabee-defends-ick-factor-comment-on-fox-news-sunday/<br /><br />Thabiti Anyabwile<br />http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/thabitianyabwile/2013/08/19/the-importance-of-your-gag-reflex-when-discussing-homosexuality-and-gay-marriage/<br /><br />There is a reason that every culture in the world throughout time has proclaimed homosexual sex icky- because it is. Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-8199100686812561852013-09-08T08:46:22.366-04:002013-09-08T08:46:22.366-04:00Anonymous March 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
The "ICK&...Anonymous March 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM<br />The "ICK" posts about gays convinced me to buy a sideways cross. You are the most ignorant people I have ever encountered. I hope God says "ICK" you try to get into heaven. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-76514714520799031272013-09-06T05:37:18.922-04:002013-09-06T05:37:18.922-04:00Of course you won't 'debate the scriptures...Of course you won't 'debate the scriptures." They say that you're sinning in identifying as homosexual and persisting in it. They say you are not part of the body of Jesus. They say that your lifestyle is an abomination unto God. Your stance is biblically indefensible so you avoid the bible verses which say what you so not want them to say because you want to keep sinning. This clearly shows you do not love Jesus. John 3:20 says<br /><br />For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.<br /><br />You 'know how it all went for you'. 'I feel that is what a Christian should do.' 'My pastor said it's OK and asked God to bless me.' Unfortunately these are not bible verses and a note from your pastor and personal feelings is not how to interpret the bible. Personal experience is always a flawed filter to understand God's revelation of His standards and warnings. I ask you to heed the scriptures, repent of your sin of homosexuality and join us in the body of Christ.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-81821428096063465782013-09-06T03:41:12.338-04:002013-09-06T03:41:12.338-04:00Hello again my dear Brothers and Sisters,
I respe...Hello again my dear Brothers and Sisters,<br /><br />I respect your opinion and strong stance on YOUR belief and interpretation of the bible. Elizabeth, God bless you for your sincere concern about my status in the eyes of our Father. I thank you and do not at all reject your stance. There are, however, many arguments that can be made. Be it affirming the words of the Old Testament, the New Testament or any other use of scripture. Truly, I respect you and will not engage in a "debate" of scriptures. I have actually researched and read the writings of biblical scholars who speak of some of Jesus' beloved disciples being homosexual. The love he had for Ruth and Naomi amidst the love they had for each other for instance. Again, we can all extract what we will from The Book. <br /><br />Having said that my friends, sincerely, I know about my walk. I know how it all went for me. I “repented” and turned away from all of it when I accepted the Lord into my life. Years of struggles with my singleness, with my backsliding, with the spiritual warfare and years later hearing “Be still”. Again, I am fully aware that many would argue that the bottom line is that I backslid, gave up the struggle and just decided to continue sinning and as you say “embrace” the sin. I can only say that I know my walk, I know my personal relationship with Jesus on a daily basis and I am ok. Pray for me if you will and continue your walk. I appreciate that which you embrace. As for me and my salvation…I am confident that we will someday walk the streets of gold together. <br /><br />Finally I would like to leave you with my feeling toward those Christians that would reject me as a sister (I must say it saddens me Elizabeth that you feel so). I had a Pastor for years, which I love very much. I say had because unfortunately he was hired full time at another church and left ours. Pastor knew me for years and he and my church family were very loving to me. Not many of the members (if any) knew about my “lifestyle” but Pastor did. My partner on occasion also attended church with me, so Pastor and my church family knew her. <br /><br />Several years ago, I asked to meet with him and I asked him if he would marry my partner and I (I live in a state where same-gender marriage is legal). Pastor stated that he could not due to the biblical standards of the church. I certainly respected that. However, what he did and said after will always stick with me. He prayed over me and with me. His words to our Father went something like this: “Lord, I do not know why the bible and your words say what they do on this issue. But I do know my sister Evelyn and her friend. I know Lord that she loves you and is dedicated to you and I pray that you will bless her mightily my Lord….“ <br /><br />That prayer and its sincerity meant the world to me. For you see, Pastor never once stated that my life and relationship with Karen was right before God. What he spoke was that while he did not know why our God spoke on homosexuality in the way that he did, he knew that I was a devoted daughter and one worthy of being blessed. Pastor’s stated mission at our church was…“Loving people to Life. “ I suspect that this is why our church was full of those that loved the Lord and knew that as far as the Pastor was concerned his mission was to love us to LIFE and let our relationship with Jesus be what He (our father) willed it to be. That my friends is what I feel I as a Christian should do. “Love people to life” and the rest…His will be done not ours. Much love and God bless.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-76008657425462036712013-09-04T22:55:46.679-04:002013-09-04T22:55:46.679-04:00Very powerful and True reply (per the Word of God)...Very powerful and True reply (per the Word of God)!<br /><br />While I respect Evelyn's overall tone of her opinion I definitely disagree to both topics of what she said.<br /><br />Cross:<br />While I understand her saying, "let the kids of today express their belief in their way, as long as they are believing and expressing it.", it matters 100% how we express our beliefs. Proverbs 14:12 states "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." The fact is a sideways cross to atheist and those alike represent "Christ's Kingdom has fallen". WHY ON EARTH KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY REPRESENT THAT ABOMINATIOUS LIE!? The devil is here to deceive us and will continue to do so unless we stand up for Christ!<br /><br />Homosexuality:<br />Again, sin is sin. The difference is knowingly accepting and engaging in sin versus struggling and overcoming sin! Hebrews 10:26-27 states<br />"26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgement, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."<br /><br />Moreover, 1 John 1:6 states <br />"If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth."<br /><br />In no way am I condemning you at all Evelyn, nor looking down on you for I have many sins I struggle with today. My prayer for US is that we will all defeat all sin and be found right before its everlastingly too late.<br /><br />MikeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14605095604186514383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-25650429768376330782013-09-04T18:16:02.106-04:002013-09-04T18:16:02.106-04:00Hi Evelyn,
Thanks for your comments about the nec...Hi Evelyn,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments about the necklace. I appreciate that you came here and read the piece and took the time to comment.<br /><br />I am sorry to hear you identify as gay. Unfortunately it is not possible to be a Christian homosexual. Now, I am not talking about having homosexual feelings or urges.<br /><br />Hebrews 12:4 says that we struggle against sin. Every person on the planet struggles against sin, some struggle to not indulge in too much alcohol, others struggle not to steal, still others, struggle against l-usting after a married person. Some struggle against having unnatural urges toward the same sex.<br /><br />I'm talking about indulging the sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”<br /><br />You IDENTIFY as gay. You are not struggling against your besetting sin and therefore it is a sin which will exclude you from heaven. You embrace it and as Romans 1:27b says, you will be "receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error".<br /><br />It is not 'my choice' to accept that I have "brothers and sisters in the faith" who are gay. It is God's choice and His standard that says you will not inherit heaven. Do not be deceived, you are not a sister I am sad to say! I appeal to you to heed these words, I truly want to see you in the heavenly realms for all eternity. Please repent of your homosexual sin, do not embrace it. You are apart from God and need His forgiveness for your sins.<br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-60922807324782714322013-09-04T18:00:37.063-04:002013-09-04T18:00:37.063-04:00This was a very informative article. I have seen ...This was a very informative article. I have seen two such necklaces and hoped there was information on it. I appreciate the article and your OBJECTIVITY. I don't know that I would wear one ever (my cross sits up nicely) but not because of all the speculations. I think you make a sound argument for not doing so but truly believe that most if not all are just following a fad not intending anything evil or unchristian and that was a relief (and enough for me). I have heard many Christians speak against contemporary Christian music ("hip-hop" and the like). However, I say, let the kids of today express their belief in their way, as long as they are believing and expressing it. I liken this latest fad as much the same. A "way" to express Christianity as cool. Just my opinion.<br /><br />And on another note (sure to open many cans of worms), I am fascinated with how the discussion quickly turned to homosexuality, adoption, baby farms, etc. Some say "Ick", I say Yikes! I'm really not interested in a sermon on who among us is the greater sinner but do feel I need to make this statement for the record. I am a "born-again" Christian having accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior 16 years ago. I was baptized by both water and the Holy Spirit. As many, no doubt, experienced miracles, spiritual war-fare, backsliding, etc. Not enough room for a full testimony here but suffice it to say that 16 years later my personal relationship with our Father is as close as anyone's as is my love and dedication to him. Doing his work and walking along side of Him. And I say all that to say that I stand firm on my Christian walk AND am homosexual. -- Wait...no bother. I have heard, read, told myself and prayed to him on it for years, so don't waste the time. Just know that you (whether you accept it or not) have Christian Brothers and Sisters that are true to Jesus, walk firmly by His side and identify as gay. Food for thought or not. Your decision to make. God bless. EvelynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-70421249521717934802013-09-03T19:08:02.672-04:002013-09-03T19:08:02.672-04:00As for the upside down cross, some people say they...As for the upside down cross, some people say they are fine with wearing an upside down cross because Peter requested to be crucified on one upside down. My question to those people are, why wear an upside down cross representing a a man, when you can choose to wear a right side up cross that represents God?Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-81926635285204445252013-09-03T15:59:31.849-04:002013-09-03T15:59:31.849-04:00Jesus is too precious to be wearing, saying, or do...Jesus is too precious to be wearing, saying, or doing things that indicate a flippant attitude toward Him. I hope you agree.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-59607017811959055462013-09-03T15:38:33.071-04:002013-09-03T15:38:33.071-04:00Anonymous, well I don't know, because I don...Anonymous, well I don't know, because I don't have a continuum. However, God does, so let's look at what He says about homosexual lifestyles, and children.<br /><br />1.The Bible absolutely condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9).<br /><br />That the bible condemns homosexuality as a sin, there is no question. There is no question that God abominates it as such. People are not supposed to engage in that named sin or live a life engaging in it, promoting it, or even endorsing it (Romans 1:32)<br /><br />2.God says we are supposed to train children in righteousness. (Romans 1:19). Exposing children to what the conscience already knows is a sin is wrong. (Proverbs 22:6, Ephesians 6:4, Deuteronomy 11:19) This also is a sin. God hates sin, so he would hate that adults who should know better are bringing children up in a sin He abominates. (Ephesians 6:4).<br /><br />God says that what is known to God is made plain to them from the beginning. Children understand there is a God. However, any adult who exposes them to sin and teaches them that THAT is the way, as Matthew 18:6 says, "it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."<br /><br />Therefore, an adult engaging in homosexual behavior is under God's wrath, and bringing up a child in it is also storing up God's wrath unto himself because he is teaching the little one the ways of rebelliousness.<br /><br />I hope this answers your question as to what God's word says on the subject.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-80932575750205653462013-09-03T11:38:20.731-04:002013-09-03T11:38:20.731-04:00Good point, but I do wonder where "ICK! I alw...Good point, but I do wonder where "ICK! I always feel for the kids born into this kind of sickening God-abomination lifestyle!" would fall on your correction/condemnation continuum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-39508596701692549352013-09-03T08:44:43.783-04:002013-09-03T08:44:43.783-04:00"Those wearing it are clueless or guilty"..."Those wearing it are clueless or guilty"<br /><br />OR, they just disagree with your interpretation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54003528290132919392013-08-30T15:39:25.209-04:002013-08-30T15:39:25.209-04:00Hi Anonymous,
You’re right, all sins are an affro...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />You’re right, all sins are an affront to God. Mumblers and grumblers are sinning as well as homosexuals.<br /><br />However I want to steer you to Matthew 7:1-5. You said not to judge anyone’s lifestyle unless I have never sinned. That is not accurately reflecting what the verse says to do. We should not judge unless we have made amends for and dealt with our own sin FIRST. See what Jesus says at the end of His lesson in verse 5:<br /><br />“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”<br /><br />As John says, judge with right judgment. (John 7:24)<br /><br />So if we don’t judge someone’s lifestyle as against God’s standards, how will we ever evangelize them with the Good news of repentance and forgiveness? In your terms, you’d let them stew in their sin until they go to hell. That’s not loving everyone. That’s hateful.<br /><br />As far as your stand on symbols, where you said “I could wear a cross, no cross, sideways cross, but the only thing that will bring people to Jesus is my actions. “ First, do you wear a pentagram? A Muslim crescent? No. Because symbols MEAN something. Many verses in the bible are symbols. If you wear a sideways cross you're making a statement, saying something.<br /><br />I’m sorry, your actions don’t bring people to Jesus. Speaking the Good News does. We have a commandment to do the following: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. “ It doesn’t say “stay quiet about people’s lifestyles and as they watch your actions it will bring them to Me.”Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-82537496438330094322013-08-30T06:45:32.110-04:002013-08-30T06:45:32.110-04:00Wearing a sideways cross promotes the belief that ...Wearing a sideways cross promotes the belief that “Christ’s kingdom has fallen”. How can you bring souls to Jesus by your actions when you are proudly, and at this point, knowingly promoting such an egregious and an abomination filled act against God? And for the sake of what? Fashion? This is wrong. No way around it.<br /> <br />As far as homosexuals go it is a sin to condemn them and ridicule them, however, these days people confuse correction and condemnation. These days if you simply quote a bible verse against homosexuality (or other sins as they are NOT exempt from this and NEVER will be), then you are “condemning” and “judging”. There is a difference in the two and many people need to understand that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14605095604186514383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-13413938853090330752013-08-30T00:32:48.459-04:002013-08-30T00:32:48.459-04:00Jesus taught me to love everyone. Sure the bible s...Jesus taught me to love everyone. Sure the bible says that being gay is a sin, but its no more sinful than cutting someone off on the road. Don't judge someone for how they live, unless you have never sinned. That goes for the necklace, all I see is a symbol of my savior. I could wear a cross, no cross, sideways cross, but the only thing that will bring people to Jesus is my actions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-25611186528700127472013-08-19T11:06:38.304-04:002013-08-19T11:06:38.304-04:00You don't have to.
Something is not right ab...You don't have to. <br /> Something is not right about it.<br />Those wearing it are clueless or guilty<br /><br />Sainti sue mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339684243755504924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79820714903191352362013-08-19T11:05:12.064-04:002013-08-19T11:05:12.064-04:00It is not just a necklace -and I went to Catholic ...It is not just a necklace -and I went to Catholic school too-and by the way<br />a Rosary is not jewelry and non believers and others wear it that way and stores put it on display with other jewelry -which I complain to the management about.<br />If you have a jewel type of cross (which I will not have -a simple wooden cross is what I wear as a symbol for me tnat to others that I am a ChristianSainti sue mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339684243755504924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-56625641255409658472013-08-19T10:59:55.702-04:002013-08-19T10:59:55.702-04:00Well saidWell saidSainti sue mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339684243755504924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-6721381010489292072013-08-19T10:55:42.127-04:002013-08-19T10:55:42.127-04:00Absolutemant oui!!!
He tries to usurp God and stea...Absolutemant oui!!!<br />He tries to usurp God and steal and bastardize symbols.<br />Years ago all the people using the cross as jewelry.<br />I recall that some Bishops mentioned Cher and she retorted that they should keep their own houses clean before criticizing her.<br /><br />Now all this clothing is coming with crosses all over them and it is another of these attempts and watering down the true cross meaning.<br />Now I am wearing a simple wooden cross encased in the fish symbol lest no one be confused.<br />I am a Christian not a faddist<br />Sainti sue mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339684243755504924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-81629463980705302722013-08-19T10:43:52.238-04:002013-08-19T10:43:52.238-04:00I'm so glad you published this article. I actu...I'm so glad you published this article. I actually had a sideways cross necklace on and I immediately took it off after reading this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-25269010049348907072013-08-16T15:58:27.841-04:002013-08-16T15:58:27.841-04:00I was reachering the what the symobol behind the s...I was reachering the what the symobol behind the sideways cross was and now i don't think i want to buy one. But I am still coufused so is it bad to wear it and would it be a waste of money to buy one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-21916694021785480522013-08-08T13:24:16.808-04:002013-08-08T13:24:16.808-04:00Faith is believing in what I can't see. Why sh...Faith is believing in what I can't see. Why should I have to wear a necklace to show my love for Christ. That's not having faith. I knew the moment I seen the sideways cross that there was something not right about it. Travel The Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308028311194554847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-53468545465891020522013-08-05T12:25:28.861-04:002013-08-05T12:25:28.861-04:00Thank you Michael! After reading much of this, I ...Thank you Michael! After reading much of this, I think the true winner here is the enemy. How well he was to get our focus off Christ and what he did on that cross bringing it to what it may represent and which celebrities are wearing it and why. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-50425897217924277502013-08-04T16:42:19.513-04:002013-08-04T16:42:19.513-04:00Yes that is what you wrote. And you didn't ans...Yes that is what you wrote. And you didn't answer the question.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.com