tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post2636801866279913455..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: "Singing is a holy practice"Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-73831277966518516062016-09-07T20:07:20.452-04:002016-09-07T20:07:20.452-04:00I read the Cornelis Venema article you linked to, ...I read the Cornelis Venema article you linked to, and thank you for giving me the link as the source of your concerns. As with the article below on which I already commented, I did not make the same interpretation as you did- that the author is saying the church has replaced Israel. Not at all. He simply lays out the different covenants, gives voice to the different interpretations thru history and concludes rightly. Read the conclusion again, slowly, and you'll see he doesn't seem to be saying that Israel is not a concern any more nor that it is being replaced. :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-37937039690271406772016-09-07T20:01:47.644-04:002016-09-07T20:01:47.644-04:00Hello Anonymous,
I looked at the article you shar...Hello Anonymous,<br /><br />I looked at the article you shared. Thank you for providing the link to the article which concerned you. The writer at Ligonier, not Sproul but Keith Mathison set out the thesis for his essay by saying this:<br /><br />"In order to understand the relationship between Israel and the church as described in the New Testament, we will need to look at the question in the context of the different answers Christians have given over the years."<br /><br />Then he went on to describe the different historical stances regarding the issue of Israel v. the Church. He wasn't advocating one over another, just givine the broad context. Then he mentioned the difference between true ISrael adn national Israel, and said through a series of explanations that after Christ's resurrection "true Israel" has morphed into the church. (gentiles grafted-in and true believing Israel, men such as Simeon and Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus).<br /><br />I did not get the same interpretation you did at, that he is saying that the church has replaced Israel. I didn't see that in my reading of the piece. :)<br /><br /><br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-709684371406282702016-09-07T13:38:18.403-04:002016-09-07T13:38:18.403-04:00"Come Behold the Wondrous Mystery" is su..."Come Behold the Wondrous Mystery" is such a full statement of Christ! Not only are the words so very succinct, they are laden with the absolute truth and beauty of Christ...<br /><br />Thanks for bringing Matt Boswell to our attention (and hearts).<br />Blessings, Kayoldthinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13416807287545298602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-13562189720006946452016-09-07T00:12:36.976-04:002016-09-07T00:12:36.976-04:00http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/the-church-...http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/the-church-and-israel-in-the-new-testament/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-59632911483333245642016-09-07T00:10:39.073-04:002016-09-07T00:10:39.073-04:00I am just trying to understand all this. Perhaps y...I am just trying to understand all this. Perhaps you should delete all my comments in order not to create confusion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-43676895623825434332016-09-06T23:39:02.735-04:002016-09-06T23:39:02.735-04:00Reiterating....I am trying to sort through this. N...Reiterating....I am trying to sort through this. Not passing criticism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-10014306625194573852016-09-06T23:29:49.955-04:002016-09-06T23:29:49.955-04:00I am not throwing accusations but truly trying to ...I am not throwing accusations but truly trying to sort this out. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-50360047122919285562016-09-06T23:24:17.148-04:002016-09-06T23:24:17.148-04:00http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/the-church-...http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/the-church-and-israel-the-issue/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-19871478194989639662016-09-06T23:21:01.698-04:002016-09-06T23:21:01.698-04:00I was really enjoying this preacher's sermons....I was really enjoying this preacher's sermons. Had a talk with him after church. I was taken aback when he said the church is the new Israel. I disagreed. He said that most of the teachers connected with these two,groups,also,believe that, as he did. He told me that to,support his argument. I do not hold to that. I think the promise to Israel still holds. God does not change. it really made me very careful with these two sites. My iPad is not cooperating with typing this so please excuse the typos. I cannot correct. PS. I do not completely avoid these sites....just very careful. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-22238995733782369832016-09-06T14:48:15.701-04:002016-09-06T14:48:15.701-04:00I'd be interested to read any documentation yo...I'd be interested to read any documentation you can provide.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-87678308264278761262016-09-06T13:11:39.775-04:002016-09-06T13:11:39.775-04:00Elizabeth, have you researched the connection with...Elizabeth, have you researched the connection with Ligonier and TGC with Replacement theology? A preacher who believes that the church is the new Israel pointed out as part of his argument that preachers I have listened to connected with these two groups predominantly also feel this way, �� Wondering if you found the same. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-27690022178557153682016-09-06T08:25:52.372-04:002016-09-06T08:25:52.372-04:00Yes. Unbalanced is a word for it. There's al...Yes. Unbalanced is a word for it. There's also the additional challenge of the contemporary music being too difficult for the average congregant, which discourages participation.<br /><br />I've prayed, I've talked to leaders, but sadly, nothing changes. <br /><br />-CarolynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-85301605909207999462016-09-05T18:21:43.267-04:002016-09-05T18:21:43.267-04:00At last. Some ones who stand up for the music of g...At last. Some ones who stand up for the music of grace and teaching in the church. <br /><br />I am one of those from whom the pastor, the elders, and the music staff hears from about the music. Not because much of the music sung in our church is bad. But, because it is unbalanced. <br /><br />It is a wonderful thing to praise the Lord. But part of the problem is I see it is that all we are doing in our church and many other church IS that we praise . . . the . . . Lord, and we do very little else. When Paul admonished Christians to sing in Ephesians 5:18-19, he said to sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs because we are continually filled with the Spirit. Songs of praise, it seems to me, are only a part of that verse. Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs are from a Holy Spirit filled heart.<br /><br />When we have sat by the beds of dying saints, they have often asked for the old songs, the teaching songs, the songs they knew as happy people, joyful in the Lord. They have generally not asked for the contemporary praise music currently being sung, to often the exclusion of the old songs. As I said, unbalanced. bloggerjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280219040560653721noreply@blogger.com