tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post503111612212520331..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: The world is all shook upElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-35394732652256326702011-07-29T02:01:04.697-04:002011-07-29T02:01:04.697-04:00Thank you Elizabeth for replying to my question. I...Thank you Elizabeth for replying to my question. I appreciate it very much. Have a blessed day,<br />KenKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01778220319438098870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-38357272292076890952011-07-28T10:20:34.737-04:002011-07-28T10:20:34.737-04:00Not that it matters in the least to me and I am no...Not that it matters in the least to me and I am not arguing, simply stating something I feel: after the rapture I do believe there will be a time of peace and relative safety. Personally, I think this will last for 3 and a half years.Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06727628684761174393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-41966478361694163482011-07-28T09:50:40.188-04:002011-07-28T09:50:40.188-04:00Hi Ken,
Thanks for your question. In the verse fr...Hi Ken,<br /><br />Thanks for your question. In the verse from 1 Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say Peace and safety then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child __ and they shall not escape" I first look at the context. The paragraph there is The Day of the Lord, typically meaning the period in which the Lord delivers His wrath as punished to an unbelieving world. Therefore the rapture will have already taken place and the 'they' saying peace and safety are the people in the Tribulation. So ho is saying peace and safety? Either the Jews, or the unbelievers.<br /><br />The 'peace' used here from the Greek means peace of mind, and is the word typically used in a Jewish farewell, as in 'peace to you.' The safety is just that, safety both figurative and literal. Now as tot he interpretation...<br /><br />If it is the Jews saying peace and safety, Some have said that the Isaiah 17:1 and Psalm 83 may occur prior to the tribulation, and since Israel (God) is victorious in those battles, firmly and swiftly vanquishing the Arab coalition, that it is this which sets Israel up for a feeling of peace, in therms of letting down her guard, and 'NOW we've got them!" Then theGog-Magog war happens and it is a total surprise, so much so that she is almost destroyed. God uses that battle to show Himself that He is LORD, and all on earth see and know it is HIM. (Ez 38-39, 'Then they will know I am the LORD, many times stated int he chapters).<br /><br />If it is the world saying peace and safety, it could be after the abomination of desolation, when the enemy keeps telling the world that this age is falling apart only to usher in a new age of peace and safety. There are many cross references in the OT referring to the Day of the Lord and the issue of 'them saying peace' such as Amos, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zephaniah and Malachi with parallel verses saying things like "they keep saying there is peace, but there is no peace." Or as in Jeremiah 6, where the false prophets kept saying 'peace, peace, but there is no peace' saying it even as the armies were advancing within their sight. <br /><br />I don't think there will be a temporary calm...because of the metaphor the Lord gave us that it will be like labor. Labor only increases in intensity. I don't think there will be an actual temporary calm, only the words claiming that there will be a calm soon, but it will be false. Here is a quote from a sermon on that verse:<br /><br />"Amos, for example, shows us that the day of the Lord will be darkness and not light. It will be judgment and not mercy. It will be wrath and not blessing. He shows us that the day of the Lord will bring a disruption of the physical order, a cosmic catastrophe caused by God Himself as He overrules the natural process. Amos tells us that under the fury of divine judgment on the day of the Lord the whole earth will devastated and will become like a turbulent sea or like the rising and falling of the Nile River which overflows its banks for miles, drowning and submerging everything in its wake. Amos tells us that the sun will go out at noon and cover the whole world in darkness. And then Amos says supernatural fire will come to destroy the sea and the land."<br /><br />In a sense I agree with you that unbelievers will not believe Jesus is coming to judge, they never believed it and after a certain point in the tribulation they can't believe it because they took the mark and their destiny (and beliefs)are set in stone.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-6646547742079067392011-07-28T02:49:55.288-04:002011-07-28T02:49:55.288-04:00Concerning the world being all shook up, I was won...Concerning the world being all shook up, I was wondering how you believe 1 Thessalonians 5:3 plays in to the end times. "For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."<br />Do you believe their will be a temporary calm and the worlds problems seems to be easing or is this referring to unbelievers will be totally blind to the fact they will have to face the judgement of God. In another words,unbelievers will be thinking Jesus will not come to judge. I think it is the latter, but wanted to hear your thoughts.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01778220319438098870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-72996901491685349202011-07-27T19:16:56.395-04:002011-07-27T19:16:56.395-04:00Debbie, I thought that same thing too. It does mak...Debbie, I thought that same thing too. It does make no sense to conspire against people who aren't there. he best I could to is think that the conspiracy was afoot and then we vanished. But I don't know, the verse doesn't clearly say one way or the other and neither does the Hebrew so like you say, an interesting thing to ponder until we get there.<br /><br />If Isaiah 17:1 happens while we are on earth or even Psalm 83I will be yelling up and down the streets! My pastor thinks we will be here for some of the beginning of either one of those events, so that we can witness about them. <br /><br />Jimbo, that is really interesting. I loved learning that!<br /><br />Emily, John MacArthur used that verse in the 22 minute portion of the sermon I posted about 'what kind of worship does God desire'...it is amazing to ponder His holiness and the courts of praise in heaven! Even more amazing to think we'll be there, probably soon. Joseph Chambers wrote on RaptureReady.com today that "Judgment is so near that there is a sense of awe in the air."<br /><br />http://www.raptureready.com/featured/chambers/jc135.htmlElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-76615135641588317862011-07-27T18:08:10.494-04:002011-07-27T18:08:10.494-04:00I was thinking "hidden ones" was about t...I was thinking "hidden ones" was about the church as we are referred to in Colossians 3:3 - "For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." Also, it sort of makes no sense why Arabs consult against or do anything against people that have vanished into thin air? I understand them conspiring against the church before the rapture because we are one of the few groups on earth that vehemently support Israel (even Jews are beginning to see we are sincere about our support and I can imagine when everyone turns their backs on Israel, the true church will be the only ones left in support of them) but why would they bother if we are not here? It's just a thought I guess but it's so interesting to ponder as prophecy usually is.<br /><br />I sort of hope we are here for a prophetic event directly mentioned in scripture! I remember you said, it would be amazing evidence to the validity of the word of God and maybe it might lead many that have been asleep and rejecting Christ to salvation!!Debbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06130520759134992268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-49697774267031005682011-07-27T14:09:45.627-04:002011-07-27T14:09:45.627-04:00I love that verse from Isaiah. It is so precious ...I love that verse from Isaiah. It is so precious to me.Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108533874121226153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-49573182216457433802011-07-27T13:21:34.427-04:002011-07-27T13:21:34.427-04:00If you look up the word "shake" in Hebre...If you look up the word "shake" in Hebrew it can mean to "rock"; in German the word (as a verb) can mean "to move."<br /><br />When I think of shaking, I think of someone being shaken to get their attention.<br /><br />I do believe many, many aspects of our world are about to be shaken from A to Z. <br /><br />Will God get our attention? Will we "move?"Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06727628684761174393noreply@blogger.com