tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post5797667089441889576..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: One more reason to avoid Lysa TerKeurst of Elevation ChurchElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-67634285880111555992021-02-02T18:04:04.004-05:002021-02-02T18:04:04.004-05:00honestly I have to say that I would definitely nev...honestly I have to say that I would definitely never follow Lysa TerKeurst. but I technically do not follow women anyway. I have always followed a handful of men throughout my 45 years of being a christian. but I have definitely made sure to do thorough research on these men to make sure that what they actually teach lines up with the scripture. there are an abundance of false teachers and Steven furtick is definitely one of them. I read your article to the end and agreed with everything you said. I have also watched the American gospel Christ crucified and I think all people should watch it. I know many professing Christians that seem to support these false teachers but they are absolutely clueless about what they believe. unfortunately the vast majority of so-called Christians are biblically illiterate and since they do not know the scripture or anything about doctrine they are unable to discern whether or not these people are actually teaching the true gospel. I actually know people that have been in church for years that support this lady and also Beth Moore ,Joyce Meyer and Steven furtick . we have to be so incredibly careful about who we follow but more importantly the forerunner to that needs to be that we should be rooted in God's word and firmly planted in what we believe and why so we are able to be more cautious about following anyone in the public eye that has a Bible in their hand. your article was spot-on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441268680425469666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-10875904425208481222020-11-03T11:07:18.539-05:002020-11-03T11:07:18.539-05:00Amazing why we need these book writing women to te...Amazing why we need these book writing women to teach us. Can't we sit down & read the bible ourselves, study and share & see God answers prayers in our lives????? <br />I went to a group that did videos from some lady. It was impersonal, heartless & very cold. There was a stigma of how great this woman was that made the teaching. We were all supposed to learn from her. A lot of pride was involved. I didn't discern any love or anointing. I've had my fill of woman running after the next book or bible study. It seemed like an activity to keep you busy while you weren't serving g God.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08212672938488391671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-78060263770552037832019-09-01T15:25:04.558-04:002019-09-01T15:25:04.558-04:00I pray people will wake up Spiritually and pray fo... I pray people will wake up Spiritually and pray for God to show them the Truth. It's so sad people are deceived & don't desire to know Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Lord & believe Jesus paid for everything a born again believer needs. God knows our hearts & the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth if we will listen. A little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Seek God for wisdom, knowledge, & understanding of His Word. God tells us the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. Hell is a terrible place to spend eternity when Jesus gave His life for us to know Him personally as our Savior and He will help us understand a word for word true translation of the Bible. The Bible is the living Word of God. It's not about us it's the story of Jesus Christ giving His life on the cross to redeem whosoever will ask & believe in their heart. God knows our heart & thoughts & God knows if we truly desire to trust, believe, & obey HimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-85287846325837144602018-12-05T10:27:08.271-05:002018-12-05T10:27:08.271-05:00"[I]f the preaching is very strong and solid,..."[I]f the preaching is very strong and solid, it is more likely that the women's ministry will be weak"<br /><br />Wow. Is that ever true! I'm seeing that in the church I am currently attending. <br /><br />The doctrinal statement is solid. The preaching from the pulpit is solid. Yet, there is no concern about the women using Beth Moore and Lysa Terkeurst Bible study materials. <br /><br />When it was announced that the ladies of the church would be using one of Terkeurst's new studies ("I Am") for its upcoming Bible study, I relayed to them my concerns, thinking maybe they just didn't know some of the issues you and others have raised.<br /><br />To my surprise, the responses I received were "no Bible study is perfect" and "we are all flawed," and, after all, a ladies' Bible study is about more than just studying the Bible ... it's about getting to know each other, sharing prayer requests, and being there for each other. <br /><br />So, in other words, I'm the problem. I'm a trouble maker for using my discernment and thinking that others would do the same.<br /><br />I had attended the previous study, by a young woman named Kelly Minter, and I was admonished by one of the pastors for being critical of the study in front of the other women attending the study. I was told I should have done that with the Bible study leader privately. That's a real problem. It suggests the pastor is okay with bad teaching be permitted to the entire group of ladies, but my warning those ladies of problems with the teaching is not permitted. Not what I expected from a pastor who insists that doctrine is extremely important to him. Scary.Jennifernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-73129620797251528992018-08-23T19:04:39.838-04:002018-08-23T19:04:39.838-04:00Valerie, I feel embarrassed at someone who display...Valerie, I feel embarrassed at someone who displays such a massive ignorance of what discernment truly involves, and does it in a humblebrag, hypocritical piety, too.<br /><br />PS: I advise you to immediately tear out the pages of your Bible where Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John "bash" (i.e discern and correct) fellow Christians, since such discernment activity affronts your tender sensibilities<br /><br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-91939755494974592142018-08-23T06:43:55.409-04:002018-08-23T06:43:55.409-04:00Every time I read someone in the Christian communi...Every time I read someone in the Christian community blast another Christian, I think about the Tower of Babel and God separating the people on purpose. I then feel embarrassment for the one doing the bashing. We are to discern our own hearts. Followers should be encouraged to know their scripture and seek their God. I see nothing here but opinion. As a matter of fact, one of those you are blasting helped pave the way to my conviction. A fruit of the spirit, no doubt. As a body of Christ, we all serve a purpose. Valerie Van Dykenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-26310088984792605122017-09-06T15:39:46.646-04:002017-09-06T15:39:46.646-04:00This is a good scripture to remember.
"Belov...This is a good scripture to remember. <br />"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."<br />1 John 4:1 KJV<br />http://bible.com/1/1jn.4.1.KJVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-17083431538434251872017-06-14T13:30:45.572-04:002017-06-14T13:30:45.572-04:00Anonymous,
First, I do study the word of God dire...Anonymous,<br /><br />First, I do study the word of God directly. Please do not make public assertions without first asking, That is how falsehoods get started.<br /><br />Also, Kay Arthur has endorsed Beth Moore. It would be nice if you had simply asked me first and not assumed, again, that I had published something without credible evidence. Please check yourself.<br /><br />here is the answer to your question-<br />https://michellelesleybooks.com/2016/02/05/perceptions-of-kay-arthur-and-precept-ministries-international/Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-25653889383012176452017-06-14T13:11:39.827-04:002017-06-14T13:11:39.827-04:00Why did you study Kay Arthur and not the Word of G...Why did you study Kay Arthur and not the Word of God? The Bible study methods that Precept International has are solid and teach you to study the Word for yourself. <br /><br />When has she endorsed Beth Moore? This is how falsehoods get started. Where is your proof?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-90681356482220606562016-10-03T22:15:11.236-04:002016-10-03T22:15:11.236-04:00DeMoss followed Bill Gothard's teachings and s...DeMoss followed Bill Gothard's teachings and supported the Umbrella of Authority false teaching that Gothard taught. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909066995643730993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-57441803058804284752016-09-07T05:43:03.863-04:002016-09-07T05:43:03.863-04:00HI Laura,
Thank you for your input. I agree, one ...HI Laura,<br /><br />Thank you for your input. I agree, one stumble may be a concern but would not make me disregard the teacher if she has years of solidity to her credit. Thank you for being a wise and patient discerner.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-36304740219850826062016-09-07T00:47:32.765-04:002016-09-07T00:47:32.765-04:00To be fair, I contacted Mrs. DeMoss Wogelmuth shor...To be fair, I contacted Mrs. DeMoss Wogelmuth shortly after I heard about this a couple years ago. One of her associates responded that it did not have to do with the Circle Maker book or believing in that kind of prayer, but that it was a call for women to change the world staring with the person inside the Circle. While I find that an unfortunate illustration given the Batterson heresy, I have not seen/heard anything else in her teaching over the years that would make me believe she follows that heresy. If any of you know differently, please correct me. No one is above stumbling and we need to be constantly checking the teachings we hear against Scripture. Thanks for this great article. So many following Lysa.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455479717681469591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-99216838720988012016-09-05T14:05:18.613-04:002016-09-05T14:05:18.613-04:00Mrs Kay has stumbled of late but I still like her ...Mrs Kay has stumbled of late but I still like her early studies. She is 82 years of age, and founded Precept in 1968. Plenty there to still like.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79089544835346935052016-09-05T14:03:29.149-04:002016-09-05T14:03:29.149-04:00Thanks Mrs Savvy. Good work on being a Berean. :)Thanks Mrs Savvy. Good work on being a Berean. :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-3530745650043607952016-09-05T13:55:06.013-04:002016-09-05T13:55:06.013-04:00I can only fall on my own experiences and I have s...I can only fall on my own experiences and I have seen Ms. TerKeurst in person. Originally I had felt (key word) motivated by her words via online and went to see her person. I am a novice when it comes to conferences but I was left a little unhappy when her on stage moment was brief and her exit was abrupt. It didn't seem to be very personable to me. <br />I was unaware who her Pastor is and as a matter of fact I was given a video of his by a family member to watch, as he is the best friend to my brother's Pastor at Life Church in Oklahoma (also a mega church). It too was quite motivating. I began to follow him via the internet and very shortly came upon some teaching that wasn't parallel to God's word. His reference to Jacob and the story he was selling was not accurate. I spoke up and told what the Lord has taught me in the past pertaining to Jacob, Esau and the blessing. My read it all to my husband, who is not a believer by the way and is answer, "well your comment doesn't fit his message." That's when I knew. It wasn't God's message he was speaking of, it was his own. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10579982043274649349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-43337536586200687082016-09-05T13:23:41.608-04:002016-09-05T13:23:41.608-04:00I would steer clear of Kay Arthur…We studied her ...I would steer clear of Kay Arthur…We studied her for years, until we found out that she endorses Beth Moore. She hangs out with other wolves too...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-36338228152631940902016-09-04T19:17:53.037-04:002016-09-04T19:17:53.037-04:00Thanks Jan. :) I'm not familiar with those. Go...Thanks Jan. :) I'm not familiar with those. Good to know.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-53012950270804623672016-09-04T18:46:03.131-04:002016-09-04T18:46:03.131-04:00Both Jane Roach and Sarah Ivill have some good Bib...Both Jane Roach and Sarah Ivill have some good Bible studies for women as well. Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548230742535863807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-53026781082015030422016-08-31T11:54:00.280-04:002016-08-31T11:54:00.280-04:00I just realized that you also noticed DeMoss's...I just realized that you also noticed DeMoss's chalk circles, back in 2013. Glad you caught it then.<br /><br />I honestly read/follow very few publicly prominent teachers. <br /><br />As I get older, I find I am appreciating - and learning more from - the ordinary Christians that are personally in my life far more than I do any celebrity. <br /><br />I would especially love to have a pastor who doesn't spend his days in the Christian celebrity blogosphere/realm of academia, and instead spent more time truly knowing and loving the actual ordinary sheep that have been entrusted to him.<br /><br />-CarolynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-75607326418953426832016-08-31T09:00:42.450-04:002016-08-31T09:00:42.450-04:00I did realize that DeMoss had stumbled on that iss...I did realize that DeMoss had stumbled on that issue. I haven't noticed an accumulation of stumbles, though. perhaps I mossed any others.<br /><br />I love studying the word! I also find that as the Lord raises up other women and men to benefit the church, I also in turn benefit from their teaching.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-63058657950972003432016-08-31T08:56:35.639-04:002016-08-31T08:56:35.639-04:00As far as TerKeurst goes, your title to this blog ...As far as TerKeurst goes, your title to this blog should suffice as warning to the flock. Elevation 'church'? That's a big no.<br /><br />Don't know if you realize this... Sola Sisters noted that DeMoss was promoting those chalk Batterson-esque "prayer circles" back in 2012-2013.<br /><br />Personally, I'm not really impressed by a (very financially privileged) woman who stays single until her mid 50s, all the while profiting by making endless books telling Christian women to get married young and have families quickly...<br /><br />That's why I read the Bible, and don't participate in "women's studies". I have found Scripture alone to be quite sufficient for my sanctification.<br /><br />-CarolynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com