tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post6826975865700189360..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: She Reads Truth, IF:Gathering, and women bible teachers. Part 2Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54214838091428237252019-09-07T20:26:22.419-04:002019-09-07T20:26:22.419-04:00Hi Julie,
Thank you so much for reading! I apprec...Hi Julie,<br /><br />Thank you so much for reading! I appreciate it very much. Also for commenting, you're sweet!<br /><br />I agree it is a shock at first when you begin to suspect someone teaching you is doing so unbiblically. It's hard to disengage, especially if you've spent money or spent some of your credibility touting these people. But what a praise to the Spirit that you are able to question more and discern it!!! I'm so thrilled for you. Keep praying and studying and the Spirit will continue to help you gain solid ground in this area!Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-9193326180789851932019-09-06T04:54:01.011-04:002019-09-06T04:54:01.011-04:00Thank you for speaking the truth.
I have recently...Thank you for speaking the truth. <br />I have recently discovered your blogs (as well as Michelle Lesley's) and have been binge-reading the last few days. Which alot of these are new information to me. I've read books/blogs/videos on lots of well known speakers/authors which most of them you wouldn't recommend (or would ban it if you have the power to). Especially was heavily influenced by them in my college years, which kinda laid the foundation of my spiritual growth. I've never questioned a speaker/author/leader's credibility - cuz they just seem legit and spoke words that sounded sooo good to my heart (like in your previous analysis talking about being emotionally connected)! <br />But somehow I was able to question more on what I'm reading and listening to recently. In the beginning when discovering these "unbiblical teachings", when the layers started peeling off of the seemingly beautiful packages, I'm like "what? really? no way she's not legit. Oh and her too?? NO!"It was such a shock to me. <br />I believe that a number of people nowadays lack the solid foundation and knowledge of the BIBLE (including me of course). <br />So thank you for these blogs and saying what needs to be said. Really blessed by it!<br /><br />-JulieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-35007170446801515452016-08-25T05:49:05.269-04:002016-08-25T05:49:05.269-04:00Thank you so much Becca!! I had a low day and your...Thank you so much Becca!! I had a low day and your kind encouragement lifted me right back up! Thank you for taking the time :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-5474617778758322482016-08-24T22:12:06.664-04:002016-08-24T22:12:06.664-04:00I love your blog I'm a new supporter I prayed ...I love your blog I'm a new supporter I prayed for more dicernment in my life and then I found all theses blogs on sound doctrine I have unfollowed a lot of women preachers Anne voskamp, Shauna neiquist and proverbs 31 ministries.<br /><br />I think as long as we keep speaking the truth in love like the bible states if they take offense and say no love was shown etc we can rest in the knowledge that God seees all things and love was shown in the midst of warning women and exposing false teachers.<br /><br />Keep up the good women I love your heart in wanting to ensure that our spiritual lives stay healthy, that we keep abiding in the vine, and that we be discerning women of God who put God first.<br />I also love that you are a women after Gods own heart you inspire me to keep chasing after God.<br /><br />Lots of love<br /><br />Becca :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-30146288784129077552015-01-30T15:56:11.454-05:002015-01-30T15:56:11.454-05:00i'm hesitant to post here because i certainly ...i'm hesitant to post here because i certainly know how these things can be misunderstood and taken out of context, but after reading this and clicking over to the article that quotes me at a women of faith event (a friend forwarded these to me-i honestly had no idea they existed), i really wanted to reach out and connect with you. i re-read my comments to see if they were offensive or unbiblical in any way, and i'm struggling to see exactly how me saying i was busy or that i struggled with fear (both true, and true for all of my friends, regardless of their ministries-just more of a common struggle) led to these criticisms. i'm the first one in line for discussion, and GENUINELY welcome a kind and appropriate rebuke. i am truly sickened at the thought that anything i have done/am doing/will do could grieve the heart of God. with that said, i'm not interested in stirring any kind of pot, but i would love to see the atmosphere of these conversations change, and for there to be a productive, God-honoring dialogue that would help all of us. i mean that sincerely! i imagine you might be quite surprised to know my beliefs, but as i was never asked directly, i haven't been able to speak to them. please hear my heart-i love the body of Christ and the women i share it with. my ultimate goal is to serve the Lord well, and if you would like to contact me personally, please know that i am more than willing to have that conversation. <br /><br />with love,<br />angieangie smithhttp://angiesmithonline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-43789709018277770342015-01-15T05:56:05.047-05:002015-01-15T05:56:05.047-05:00Dear SIster in CHrist,
I'm overflowing with g...Dear SIster in CHrist,<br /><br />I'm overflowing with gratitude for your testimony! It is the greatest comfort for me to know any sister was even one iota refreshed by anything on this blog. Jesus honors your biblical choice, for sure, it's what He ordained and sisters who submit to it are earth's greatest blessing.<br /><br />Where would we be without mothers??? I know for other women the choices are harder due to, military deployment, widowhood, absent fathers, or simply severe economic downturn, all narrowing the choices. But overall, the Lord blesses men and women who submit. The unit you're a part of is the foundation of society, and it's a beautiful thing.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-85461369128668458732015-01-14T17:11:11.297-05:002015-01-14T17:11:11.297-05:00Dear Elizabeth I found your blog months ago and I ...Dear Elizabeth I found your blog months ago and I read it regularly. Thank you for this article, I live in the UK and before coming across this site I thought I was in the right path in trying to know Jesus more, grow closer to Him, only to realise that I was dwelling among many false teachers. The Holy Spirit has opened my eyes to the real truth which is in the Word alone. I love Jesus with my whole heart and His grace towards a sinner like me humbles me. For years I have felt I didn't have a "calling" felt inadequate whenever I heard Caine, Bobbie Houston and many others like them preaching about stepping into your "calling". I was part of a church that is steeped in talks about social justice, "calling", etc and that now walks hand in hand with Ecumenism, Rick Warren, Caine, the Houston's and the lot. <br />But when my daughter was born I decided to leave work as it didn't make any sense to me to work to pay someone else to look after my baby, as financially I didn't have to. Thank you for the encouragement that my decision of being a staying at home mum looking after of my 2 children and my husband is a biblical one! Between washing up, making meals, doing the groceries etc my hearts desire is to know Jesus and be an example to my children. <br />Thank you sister for your encouragement! God keep blessing you abundantly x Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08568070154045591888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-46340670393623853202015-01-01T18:51:15.865-05:002015-01-01T18:51:15.865-05:00Brother Hakam,
I appreciate your response, and yo...Brother Hakam,<br /><br />I appreciate your response, and your attempt to clarify yourself. I do understand your desire to address matters such as marriage and theology with thoroughness, which is commendable.<br /><br />However, if I may, two comments.<br /><br />First, the extent to which you reveal your inner thoughts in such a public forum (ie, online) is unwise, for a variety of reasons.<br /><br />Second, in light of the context of my above comment, my statement "he just loves me" should not have set off a single alarm bell. Zeal for the truth is good. Striving about words is not.<br /><br />Take care that in your desire to be nuanced and flesh things out in great deal to your satisfaction, that you do not come across as pedantic.<br /><br />-CarolynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-17313141331920054152015-01-01T17:24:48.459-05:002015-01-01T17:24:48.459-05:00I'm sorry if you saw it as mainly a qualificat...I'm sorry if you saw it as mainly a qualification list, e.g. 'agree with every single point here or you're out' :P. Definitely not the intention. I can understand the concern about having too many specific ideas about what you expect, but from my own experience and anecdotal observation of others, I'm firmly persuaded that a bare minimum interpersonal engagement prior to marriage will not work for me. I'm far too analytical -- many of the thoughts I've posted are simply elaborations on very innocuous or subliminal thoughts and feelings, not at all a list of criteria that a hypothetical wife must check off. Let me reassure you of that.<br /><br />Without meaning any disrespect to you at all, your second to last paragraph's opening line bothers me in the same way that it bothers me when people say that they don't try to understand the Bible, and that it doesn't matter how God created or how the world will end or how sinners get forgiven, all that matters is to "have faith." If we're to study the Scriptures, to know God, it makes all the sense in the world for me to study my future spouse, and she me, to know each other better. It can only deepen our love for each other. A relationship with someone who doesn't want to grow in our love for one another through connecting intellectually would be nightmarish to say the least. And I definitely don't expect that this characterizes your relationship with your husband--your emphasis on Scriptural preeminence and Christlikeness defy that notion--it was merely your speech that set off alarm bells. I'm not posting, therefore, to argue, but to offer a nuanced perspective.<br /><br />I appreciate your emphasis on Christ and Scripture as the most important and central aspects of a good relationship, and I totally agree. Thanks for that encouragement. I simply need, for reasons of my flavor of intellect, to flesh things out in much greater detail for satisfaction and security. And as I intend to point out in the next upload, I only really need this message to be well received by that one lady who has the same needs; they aren't blanket judgments or expectations of all women, only offered for 'food for thought' for other introspective singles, mainly. I'm trying to build up people, not walls. :) Please excuse me for any worry my very open personality may have caused you.Hakam Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114741274619345717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-17231869497591382432014-12-31T17:17:51.201-05:002014-12-31T17:17:51.201-05:00Thanks Carolyn, lol. :)Thanks Carolyn, lol. :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79121816893353373922014-12-31T17:06:20.721-05:002014-12-31T17:06:20.721-05:00Brother Hakam,
Kindly, from an older, happily, an...Brother Hakam,<br /><br />Kindly, from an older, happily, and long-married (to a wonderful, godly man) sister in Christ... I've taken a gander at your "AWPATT". I've struggled with how to say this gently, but dear brother, that list alone is enough to scare off 99.44% of godly Christian ladies out there. I am afraid that if any eligible young ladies met you and then came across your blog, they'd be terrified that they'd never be able to meet your criteria!<br /><br />Example, point 50-52, my husband and I are not even remotely matched in height, and that has not affected our marriage one whit. If he had even considered that as important (which it is not), we'd never have married. <br /><br />I won't even address #46 and similar ones, and the reality of what happens to a woman's body with age (even if she is physically fit in her 20s... and of course a devastating accident or serious illness can end that pursuit quickly, dear brother), let alone how a woman's body changes after child bearing...<br /><br />My husband had no list, he just loves me. Time has only deepened our love, for as the outward man fails (and fail it will, in many and every way), the only thing that has increased in both of us is Christlikeness. Hence why Scripture often admonishes us to grow in godliness, it is the one thing that never fades nor fails. <br /><br />Ephesians 5, and the pastoral epistles, have been sufficient to guide him in our marriage.<br /><br />I shall say no more... Prov 10:19<br /><br />-CarolynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-12679318279326888142014-12-31T13:25:27.138-05:002014-12-31T13:25:27.138-05:00Ladies and Hakam, about the doing-it-all, having-i...Ladies and Hakam, about the doing-it-all, having-it-all attitude, Erin Benziger mentioned Angie Smith on her blog, Do Not Be Surprised. I'd wanted to publish some things about Angie, since she is a frequent contributor to She Reads Truth, but I just didn't have space. Smith is really a 7th She Reads Truther, IMHO. The comment regards the fallacy that women can have it all, and look good while they do it, too.<br /><br />http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2013/08/this-n-that_23.html<br /><br />'Women ministry leaders' Priscilla Shirer and Angie Smith confess that they are under a lot of pressure to not admit that they're exhausted. Well, I suppose it is exhausting to be living in disobedience to God's Word and His ordained roles for men and women."<br /><br />Ms Benziger was referring to an article from Christian Post she'd linked to that interviewed the two women. In reading that article, it strikes me as similar in nature to the discussions Gloria Steinem sparked after the Second Wave feminists began to droop from the pressure of balancing career and home.<br />http://www.christianpost.com/news/women-ministry-leaders-confess-a-lot-of-pressure-to-not-admit-im-exhausted-102514/cpt<br /><br />It's the same feminist fallacy, except for "Christian" feminists, they are discovering the same thing that the Secular Feminists discovered by 1988, that stepping into leadership, ministry, or gifts, whatever you call it, IS exhausting. No, we can't do it all. And that is be design, God designed his family structure and His church structure to be complementary, not egalitarian.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-1216789191831369302014-12-31T13:16:20.893-05:002014-12-31T13:16:20.893-05:00Hakam thanks for the connection to leaning in. Mak...Hakam thanks for the connection to leaning in. Makes perfect sense now.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-17005344283011609362014-12-31T12:30:47.026-05:002014-12-31T12:30:47.026-05:00Off topic I know but I thought you'd be intere...Off topic I know but I thought you'd be interested, homosexuality is being put into cartoons :<br /><br />Gay kiss "edited" from Cartoon Network<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2811728/Cartoon-Network-backs-showing-onscreen-gay-kiss.html<br /><br />Though I haven't seen any news articles in another episode it implied that a boy had two mothers, having them shown multiple times on screen<br /><br />Co creators confirm Korra and Asami relationship<br />http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/12/legend-of-korra-creators-confirm-korrasami-is-canon<br /><br />The show was pulled off Nick, the creators moving it online earlier this year<br /><br />"We did it for all our queer friends, family, and colleagues. It is long over due that our media (including children’s media) stops treating non-heterosexual people as nonexistent, or as something merely to be mocked. I’m only sorry it took us so long to have this kind of representation in one of our stories."-Bryan Konietzko<br /><br />Creator confirms two female characters have dated <br />http://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/adventure-time-actor-confirms-princess-bubblegum-and-marceli#.ok3Mr0J0K<br /><br />"And I said, ‘Are they going to do it on the show at all, or can we say anything about it in the book?” And he’s like, ‘I don’t know about the book, but in some countries where the show airs, it’s sort of illegal.’ So that’s why they’re not putting it in the show."<br /><br />In a couple of years I'd imagine creators everywhere no longer being afraid. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79242405090526428002014-12-31T12:18:37.286-05:002014-12-31T12:18:37.286-05:00In response to "what do you do all day?"...In response to "what do you do all day?" you can say, without being misleading of course,<br /><br />that you're an <br />Economist<br />Household Administrator<br />in Property Management<br />Home Equity Overseer<br /><br />and of course Child Care Provider, Educator, Private Professional etc.<br /><br />But the tongue in cheek with the first four is that the word from which Economy derives is the Greek word "oikonomia," (that's the feminine form of it) and it means the management of a household, or administration of a household, etc. Managing one's affairs. <br /><br />It might be a fun Bible word-study to use the Biblehub website to look up the places where it's used in the NT. It would undoubtedly be encouraging, as it emphasizes that the role of mother is an important one, by association. Not "just staying at home" or anything like it.Hakam Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114741274619345717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-9933417191617051932014-12-31T12:04:48.035-05:002014-12-31T12:04:48.035-05:001. The cryptic phrase "leaning in" in th...1. The cryptic phrase "leaning in" in the description of one of their conferences above wouldn't make much sense if it weren't for the book published just last year, "Lean In," by Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg. It's basically a "climbing the corporate ladder for women" self help book and I think it's been widely consumed among female academics and yuppies (in other words, people with ambitions outside of domesticity).<br /><br />In case you weren't aware of the book, I think you might appreciate the connection. I'm almost certain that odd phrase above was influenced by an acceptance of everything in said book.<br /><br />2. On my blog, I'm about 1/5 of the way through an endeavor to elaborate on 1000 independent thoughts about romance, marriage, being a husband, the wedding, what I look for in a wife, etc. ('AWPATT' - A Woman Provokes A Thousand Thoughts). And in the section to be posted mid-January, I'm posting an A-Z list (inspired in part by the acrostic in Proverbs 31) of "I want a woman who is ___" statements.<br /><br />This whole article is perfect as an illustration of part H (the first few sentences copied here):<br /><br />"I want a woman who is humble. She needs to know the difference between passion, and ambition for its own sake. The latter begs the question as to why it should be pursued. A woman whose dream it is to have a prominent, “successful” career is not a woman who is preparing herself for marriage. " [more to come Jan 16]<br /><br />And with your in-depth expose of these mothers' priorities, you've given a lot of concrete support for my suspicion/aversion to women who seem obsessed with a superhero trajectory to their career. I know a very soundly Biblical reformed friend from college, who is pretty impressive in her academic accomplishments, and is taking a 2-year period of work in exchange for financial aid from the same place that she was interning at. But her desire is to be married and be a mom. She's working hard now, to be faithful and redeem the time, and also because she can't make any assumptions about when a godly man will pursue her, but her end goal is not to be the #1 such-and-such in the country. She's just being dutiful to God in one area of her life before marriage, and willing to change her personal behavior completely in pursuit of motherhood afterwards.<br /><br />There's something wrong with a "Christian" woman who is ambitious professionally, *and* married. It's not that ambition is wrong, but ambition at the expense of your family is. Either remain unmarried and pursue your dreams, or marry and pursue your children's welfare. These women are glory-hogs who simply don't care about their children or husbands--or God--as much as they do their own name.<br /><br />Life is a series of choices. Do you want to raise children, or do you want to *outsource* (as you said) your responsibilities as a parent in order to pursue *what you -really- want to do*? Marriage isn't for every woman. And I know to evaluate a woman as wife and mother material based on their priorities for their careers and hobbies prior to said marriage. <br /><br />There's a lot of self-absorption in this world. Really obedient daughters of God in my age group must be one in a thousand. In summary, thanks for the exhaustive analysis you provided.<br /><br />~ 'Hakam'Hakam Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114741274619345717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-38242630419322802982014-12-31T11:50:28.680-05:002014-12-31T11:50:28.680-05:00Melissa: "CEO of nothing" ~ LOL!! Can...Melissa: "CEO of nothing" ~ LOL!! Can relate!!<br /><br />And yet, why is it when we read about these DO-IT-ALL, HAVE-IT-ALL ladies.... I come up feeling short?? Like I can't possibly hold a candle!!<br />Have to remind myself ~ in the end, all their "work", all their "social justice" is going to be for naught if they do not know the Lord, more importantly if the Lord does not know them!! (Matt 5)<br /><br />And too..... I have to remind myself of Mary-Martha -- Martha was the one clanging the pots & pans, making dinner, not doing anything "bad".... but was just OVERLY BUSY just being busy.... and then got whiney telling Jesus to order Mary to come & help!! {been there....}<br />Wouldn't we all love to have seen Martha's face when instead (big surprise!) she was rebuked by our Lord & Mary was given honor as the one who desired the good thing.<br /><br />Listen, we never had kids (3 miscarriages... so ours will be in heaven).... yet I am a stay at home "wife" ... by desire!! Fortunately I do not have to help bring home the bacon.... would if I had to, but since I don't have to, I actually ENJOY being a homemaker!! And most days I'm left to wonder how women can possibly do both.<br />Something Hillary Clinton & even Sarah Palin would utterly despise (in case you all do not remember, Sarah also poo-poo'd those who stay home to take care of the husbands, family, house....). Oh yes, Jennifer, "WHAT DO YOU DO ALL DAY??" And do you get the chronic requests to babysit, take care of dogs, run errands, etc...... only because you "do NOT WORK"?? Is that mind-set a gigantic pet peeve for other ladies as it for me?? My MIL, honest abe, once asked me if I sat at home all day & watched TV with the dog!!!! Reva ROLLS EYES majorly!!!!! Good thing I have a sense of humor.... otherwise, would GRRRR.....be very tempted to get catty & say/think some very unchristian responses!!....<br /><br />Never mind that women of other generations stayed home & took care of the house.... but we are NOT SUPPOSED TO!!! {according to them; according to society}<br /><br />From Titus 2:4,5 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.<br /><br />Elizabeth quote: I am offended by women who say all the previous generations got it wrong and now, finally now that WE are here, we will unleash proper womanhood onto the world. I am offended by all of that. None of it honors Jesus. /end<br /><br />Soooo very true!!!! Wow, none of us could have said it better. Revanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-33072451160765283502014-12-31T00:33:04.705-05:002014-12-31T00:33:04.705-05:00Oh, my, Elizabeth. This is all so informative and ...Oh, my, Elizabeth. This is all so informative and I appreciated the encouragement at the end. <br />Melissa (wife to David, 6 kids, CEO of nothing) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-17693896462044717902014-12-30T22:14:23.391-05:002014-12-30T22:14:23.391-05:00Thank you for your honorable service tot he kingdo...Thank you for your honorable service tot he kingdom as a mom!!<br /><br />Thanks for your good comment. I had not heard of them either till a friend with 5 kids asked me to review them. Their influence is huge and their techno-savvy is not to be taken lightly. These are women who grew up entirely in the digital age. <br /><br />For example- Their conference called the IF:Gathering, sold out in 42 minutes. It was ONLY marketed online. These women are the 3rd generation of women from the seminal generation of Beth Moore, who have seen the women they admire drift further from a life that has a biblical worldview and an honest submission. And it is impacting Christianity in serious ways.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-3484035800966546122014-12-30T22:07:04.133-05:002014-12-30T22:07:04.133-05:00I had never heard of this group or their devotions...I had never heard of this group or their devotions until yesterday's post on this blog. But I thank you nonetheless for reviewing them, as there are probably many young women out there who have heard of them. I made it a practice several years ago to avoid anything that was popular or "celebra-christian.". That would be my advice to other readers of this blog.<br />As a 36 year old, stay at home mother of 2, I cannot tell you how often I rub against this post-modern expectation for womanhood. It is sad and disgusting to me that it has thoroughly saturated the evangelical world, and we are now telling our girls and women what the world dictates women should be. Up is down, and down is up and right is wrong and wrong is right. <br />So, as a lifelong stay at home mom, I am used to being tennis shoes in the dryer with everyone around me, and having even other Christians puzzled with me that I don't work outside the home or see myself doing so when my kids are grown. "What do you do all day?" they ask. It is bewildering how our society has forgotten the essential role of wife/mother and how much work it is. I am happy to do it, and I am also blessed now that my kids are in their teen years to have many hours in the day to devote to study of His Word!<br />~JenniferAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com