tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post1995742727579792648..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: How the Christian secret feminists are reforming the definition of biblical womanhood. Part 1Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-27038896999484281012017-06-25T21:36:29.163-04:002017-06-25T21:36:29.163-04:00Probably going to step on some toes, but here goes...Probably going to step on some toes, but here goes. Before Beth Moore we had Elisabeth Elliott. I have written cautions about her before but she seems to be like Teflon, nothing sticks. However for many decades she taught men and women in church settings since she was a speaker around the country and on her radio show. She also sold numerous books. Her husband Lars Gren, set up her speaking tours, answered the phone, took book orders, wrote and published her newsletters, etc. Ms. Elliott never used her last husband's Lars' surname but still used that of her famous late missionary husband, Jim Elliott. Granted she did not have children still at home. But other than that her situation and ministry were just as you describe. Lars still sends out a newsletter even though Ms. Elliott died in 2015. http://elisabethelliot.org/ramble/ramblings05152017.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-75728086573041292832016-09-23T20:59:46.618-04:002016-09-23T20:59:46.618-04:00Is your stance that women cannot have a job outsid...<b>Is your stance that women cannot have a job outside of taking care of the children inside the home?</b><br /><br />No. Each family's situation is different and the husband and wife make decisions based on biblical precepts according to their best understanding. As you mentioned, widows, women abandoned by the husband, war, or other situations force women to divide their attention and work outside the home whilst being mother AND father to the children. However the Bible overwhelmingly considers women the help-meet to the husband and after children arrive, her career is mother. It is what she was created for. That doesn't mean women are sinning who work outside the home. It means that she should consider herself primarily on earth to be a mom and all else that she does should be fulfilling, supporting, or working within that role. Her primary orientation is toward the home.<br /><br /><b>The biblical prophetess Anna and the judge of Israel Deborah both carried on ministry outside of their homes, and successful ones at that. </b><br /><br />1. Anna: she was a widow for over 80 years. No children are mentioned. She devoted her life to Christ, which is what single people are supposed to do. (1 Cor 7:32). FMI on Anna, http://www.gotquestions.org/Anna-the-prophetess.html<br /><br />2. Deborah: For the likely reason outlined in Isaiah 3:12, God designated Deborah as judge and prophetess as a rebuke to the men of Israel. However, she was still identified as under the headship of her husband (Deborah … the wife of Lappidoth."). In the long history of the Bible, Deborah is clearly the exception. Women were not regularly prophets, nor priests, nor leaders, no queen ever ruled Israel, nor did they as laywomen regularly possess positions of authority over men. <br /><br />2b. Success is no indicator of whether an action or a lifestyle is aligned with God's standards.<br /><br />3. <b> Feminism, at the very heart of its nature, is an outgrowth of men not taking up their God given role to lead.</b><br /><br />No. It is a fulfillment of the curse God laid upon the woman in Genesis 3:16. It is about usurping, not filling roles abandoned by men.<br /><br />I object to feminism because it is a man-made philosophy seeking to reverse God's plan for men and women.<br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-34778441158897529772016-09-23T12:34:41.498-04:002016-09-23T12:34:41.498-04:00Is your stance that women cannot have a job outsid...Is your stance that women cannot have a job outside of taking care of the children inside the home? Just inquiring as to the heart of the issue. The biblical prophetess Anna and the judge of Israel Deborah both carried on ministry outside of their homes, and successful ones at that. I believe that in the fallen news of man, he chooses to step away from his God given role to lead in love, whether that be within a household or a community. This in turn leads to woman, in her fallenness, stepping up to fill the role which the man left void. As someone who grew up without a father, I know what it is to have a void that a man never filled, and watching my mother struggle to compensate for his absence informed me that though she made it work, this was not gods original plan. Feminism, at the very heart of its nature , is an outgrowth of men not taking up their God given role to lead. If you believe that women should earn equal pay and have equal rights and responsibilities in the home/life, you are a feminist according to the Oxford dictionary. Apart from these women, who are human and are therefor capable of fallacy and fault, what do you disagree with on the subject matter of feminism?jacshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10734849012535887289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-84759579762100223622016-06-13T03:17:14.268-04:002016-06-13T03:17:14.268-04:00I am so happy to have found your blog. I am search...I am so happy to have found your blog. I am searching for encouragement in my role as a stay at home Christian mother, with kids in elementary school, since pretty much everyone I know works. I am best friends with all the nannies and grand moms :) Anyway, I am learning from you, and I am grateful to be lead here. I, too, was a long-time attender of Beth Moore - for 3 years, here in Houston. I attended her last session, where she did a short series on the Holy Spirit. It was weird. Then she stopped teaching. Next I heard she was on TBN, which I always thought was strange. It makes me sad. Anyway, thanks again. I will be checking your site more! LeslieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-74028585878945332382016-02-23T07:39:20.355-05:002016-02-23T07:39:20.355-05:00offering just a link with no comment, thoughts, or...offering just a link with no comment, thoughts, or context isn't the most helpful addition to the discussion. What is your stance on this, Anonymous?Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-21778680645994403232016-02-22T09:02:01.205-05:002016-02-22T09:02:01.205-05:00http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articl...http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/253168-church-needs-deborahs.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-90736703620215420982015-09-26T15:36:58.895-04:002015-09-26T15:36:58.895-04:00Hello "Unknown",
I hope you find the an...Hello "Unknown",<br /><br />I hope you find the answers your'e looking for.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-85616148368666932282015-09-26T13:41:52.865-04:002015-09-26T13:41:52.865-04:00I do agree with you that if you are a mother your ...I do agree with you that if you are a mother your most important role is caring for your family. As for women teaching, I have always found these verses that speak on this to be strange. For example, women can't teach men because Eve was deceived by Satan, (1 Timothy 2) but in another area it is said that older women can teach other women (Titus 2:3-4). So if women are so easily deceived then there is a good chance that a woman teacher could be teaching false things to other women, even though Titus limits what these women can teach. This understanding leads to the idea that it's okay if all the women are messed up just as long as they don't mess up the men. Plus in the Bible we see evidence that women were involved in the ministry. (Romans 16:1-3). I've heard some male preachers awkwardly teach that this was permissible because these women were under their fathers' or husbands' care. My question to that was: What happens when the husband or father dies? Did those women have to leave the ministry because they had no man over them? Does this mean that single women whose fathers have died have no place teaching? This was an odd answer for me. And what about in the case of those women who have a ministry such as a blog? Do we have to run everything by a godly man before posting? This might not be a bad idea to run it by someone but does it have to be a man? And what if a man accidentally clicks on my blog and reads my entry which is essentially a sermon on paper thus causing me to have taught a man! I have a blog so these are questions that have gone through my mind. I have to say that I have not come to any real satsfying conclusions about the limits or liberties that women have as far as teaching. My take on the verses in Timothy and 1 Corinthians currently is that Paul is setting up what roles men and women should play in an organized church service and also how they should behave during said service. How this extends to a woman involved in an on-road ministry, books, blogs, and movies is something that has yet to be answered for me in any satisfying way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487907644218823750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54708340799242604972015-08-14T18:34:25.037-04:002015-08-14T18:34:25.037-04:00Hi Jojo,
I did check my bible and I did study whe...Hi Jojo,<br /><br />I did check my bible and I did study where when and how God used women. That is why I wrote what I did. The New Testament is clear that a woman's priority should be in the home, raising children that God has given her, submitting to and supporting her husband, and not to teach or preach men in the church. Those were the main concerns regarding the aforementioned women that I brought out in my article.<br /><br />Is there a particular verse, passage, or theological point you wanted to bring out, that would explain more of what you mean? "Go study more" isn't especially edifying, for me or the readers who may also be wondering what your point is.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-68302641900007824532015-08-14T09:59:13.255-04:002015-08-14T09:59:13.255-04:00You need to check your bible and study where, when...You need to check your bible and study where, when and how God used women!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06828879581418025417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-81688534666343773092015-06-27T19:42:39.735-04:002015-06-27T19:42:39.735-04:00Thank you for the link. It was a good read. It'...Thank you for the link. It was a good read. It's something I have been telling men for many years now. Yet, a majority of those men are cowards. Feminism is the abomination of desolation. The Bible talks of groves(goddess worship, feminism) and it's destructive behaviours. "Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the LORD thy God, which thou shalt make thee. Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth." -Deuteronomy 16:21-22. God bless you and this blog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-49952154571588629652015-06-15T09:55:07.257-04:002015-06-15T09:55:07.257-04:00I'm glad that a true Christian woman is speaki...I'm glad that a true Christian woman is speaking about this topic. I wish there were a lot more women who follows Gods word and commandments. They have been pushing a new campaign named:"good women have abortions." It's sickening at best. I will check out the rest of your blog. Take care and be strong in Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com