tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post4995123238114829079..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: The Third Commandment: ways to take God's name in vain you might not have thought ofElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-33787988262418052972014-06-28T10:24:18.788-04:002014-06-28T10:24:18.788-04:00Gee, I don't know how women got along raising ...Gee, I don't know how women got along raising their babies before the Ezzos. :)<br /><br />Here's a site which I linked to in an article I did on the Ezzos, which examines the dangers of Babywise: http://fresnofamily.com/parenting/ap/dangers-of-ezzo-babywise/<br /><br />Here's my article, which examines much of the Ezzo nonsense and abuse of Scripture. I think it's important, now that the Ezzo method has been mentioned, that readers of this string understand the dangers behind the Ezzo method and their horrid hermeneutics (or rather lack of proper hermeneutics).<br />http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2014/02/growing-kids-ezzo-way-danger.html<br />Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-49311651120952984712014-06-27T20:33:05.390-04:002014-06-27T20:33:05.390-04:00Oh, no! Glenn! Say it isn't so! :D
I could wr...Oh, no! Glenn! Say it isn't so! :D <br />I could write for several paragraphs about how helpful On Becoming Babywise has been in caring for our babies (3rd through 6th--didn't buy it for the first 2 kids) but I doubt that Elizabeth wants her blog to become a chat room about breastfeeding (lol). If a mom has good common sense and reads it cover to cover it is actually really on target for making sure babies get good, full feedings every few hours consistently and getting them to fall asleep on their own. I have experienced how well they respond and how quickly they become good, sound sleepers. I understand taking the book with a grain of salt because certainly there are people who get really into the Ezzo stuff and it's over the top legalistic, in my opinion. Ok, that's all I will say or E might not print my comment. Haha. Plus our 6th baby is the last one for us and I'm ready to toss the book out the window pretty happy to not think about that stuff anymore! :) MelissaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54994109282615951152014-06-27T11:46:49.497-04:002014-06-27T11:46:49.497-04:00Just as an aside, "Babywise" was one of ...Just as an aside, "Babywise" was one of the most dangerous of the Ezzo programs. Even Focus on the Family warned about it.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-84291206175770621952014-06-27T08:49:38.109-04:002014-06-27T08:49:38.109-04:00Elizabeth,
Quote: (I wonder what Jesus will say ...Elizabeth,<br /><br />Quote: (I wonder what Jesus will say to the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention when He brings up Beth Moore's false prophecies and erroneous teaching...and that not only did they tolerate them but LifeWay made money off them...)<br /><br />Matthew 21:12-13 perhaps?<br /><br />-CarolynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54590794656302069412014-06-27T08:12:38.365-04:002014-06-27T08:12:38.365-04:00Thank you, Glenn, Anonymous and Elizabeth. So grea...Thank you, Glenn, Anonymous and Elizabeth. So great to read your post to go along with my question! I appreciate such an extensive answer and others' thoughts. <br /><br />With regard to homeschooling, I completely see what you mean, Glenn. We are new to homeschooling (will begin this fall--or I guess now, technically). Our kids had been in a private, Christian school for years but the lack of discernment made me think that in some ways, if they had been in a public school it would have been more cut and dried explaining right from wrong things they heard. Just because something says Christian, whether it be a bookstore, church, school or, dare I say a person, doesn't mean the person, place or thing honors or seeks after Truth. I am learning this as I go along. I was hopeful that I would find more likeminded individuals with this homeschooling group I met up with the other day but was disappointed by my first impression. I have read enough Ezzo books to know exactly when someone is echoing something from their line of thought. Loved Babywise but beyond that kind of lost interest. Really I think that if we get too caught up in any work of man it is not as good as returning to the Bible as our source for help. <br /><br />Regarding God told me...I think it just brings confusion whenever we make a claim like that and even jealousy. Oh, really? God told you that you were going to homeschool and He was going to take you to a new "level" with him? How nice! As for me, I read the Bible almost every day, pray that we will make a good decision, consider our options, think about it, talk to people, read and learn and do what I want to do because homeschooling seems like it will be a good fit for our family this year. <br />I have had people insist that homeschooling is "a call" or whatever but can't it just be ok to decide to do something because we want to and it's not sinful? Is it bad to just do something because we feel like it? <br />Same thing with buying a house recently...sure, we prayed for things to go smoothly, that it would be the right place for us, etc., but did we really need to be in a 3-hour quiet time "waiting on the Lord" for an answer about the house/neighborhood? Not that I think God doesn't CARE, just that I think He probably cares more that I am living according to what He clearly tells me in His Word more than worrying about all of the little details within the life with which He has blessed me.<br /><br />When I consider the concept of the sufficiency of Scripture it brings me a feeling of relief--like the playing field is leveled. We all get the same news. Glorious, wonderful news for all! Trying to be "more spiritual" like the next person or thinking that God has more to say to another person can't be right.<br /><br />Melissa<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-42798704182646393732014-06-26T18:24:59.273-04:002014-06-26T18:24:59.273-04:00Hi Melissa,
It is a great question, and I thought...Hi Melissa,<br /><br />It is a great question, and I thought about it for a long time. I did some research and came up with quite a few possible responses. I wrote a blog essay entirely about it. It's here<br />http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2014/06/how-to-respond-to-god-told-me-comment.html<br /><br />thank you os much for asking!Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-11785931491899624402014-06-26T12:32:23.277-04:002014-06-26T12:32:23.277-04:00Melissa,
I would like to share my thoughts on thi...Melissa, <br />I would like to share my thoughts on this, hoping Elizabeth will chime in and set me straight if I'm wrong :-) However, there was a time in my own life where I said such things as "God showed me..." or "God told me..." I realize now how arrogant and off-putting that can sound. However, I was expressing what happened, even though it was not in the best terms. I truly believe God speaks to our hearts through His word, in answer to prayer, and through promptings of the Holy Spirit but this is meant for us and us alone. We can't go to others and preach what was meant for us as if it is meant for everyone. We can't speak on behalf of God to others. We can only hear, receive, and respond to what He speaks to us. And I fear that in writing this I'm not as clear as I'd like to be! I'm not talking about channeling or hearing voices. I'm talking about hearing God's word and applying it to our lives, allowing the Holy Spirit to work within us to refine us, but it is a one-to-one vertical relationship between us and God. It's not a platform for us to preach to others, only to share the testimony of what God has done in our lives and point others to Him and His word.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-20727640719811814892014-06-26T09:56:07.255-04:002014-06-26T09:56:07.255-04:00We homeschooled our kids and were members of home-...We homeschooled our kids and were members of home-school groups. What we learned was that you will find some of the most legalistic and bizarre teachings/beliefs among homeschoolers. This happens because they are putting their faith in Bill Gothard, the Ezzos, Mike & Debi Pearl, many Mennonite publications, and all things KJV only. And, of course, when you encounter those who attend a charismatic church you will hear of Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare (Frank Peretti is very popular), "God told me," etc, etc.<br /><br />While there is a good percentage of homeschoolers who are discerning, it is the others who spread this stuff like cancer.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-21392199476838743762014-06-25T22:36:57.133-04:002014-06-25T22:36:57.133-04:00Hi Elizabeth,
I am wondering how you respond in ...Hi Elizabeth, <br /><br />I am wondering how you respond in the moment when someone looks you straight in the eye who you have just met and says, "God told me that I was going to homeschool and that he was going to take me to another level in my relationship with him through it." I was surrounded by "God told me" stories in a group of fellow home educators today and I am continually stunned that people will say these kinds of things. In the moment I never know what to say. I am sorry for them on the one hand and on the other I feel angry because people say these kinds of things so confidently that I find myself getting annoyed. And what about when someone says, "The Lord showed me...such and such" about some other person in my life. People believing that God tells them things directly is rampant in my world and I'd like to know how best to respond (if at all) right in the moment when these things are said. Thanks and great articles lately, MelissaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-63841653573902086922014-06-25T11:23:53.696-04:002014-06-25T11:23:53.696-04:00Funny ~ been doing my own personal study of this a...Funny ~ been doing my own personal study of this as well, Elizabeth! I do my best to avoid being around those who constantly claim or exclaim, OMG.... bothers my spirit too much. I even looked up what it means to take God's name in vain (agree with all your points) but it also said that when we put something EMPTY with His name as well.<br /><br />Maybe sounds funny to some, but "Everybody Loves Raymond" is one of my all time favorite funny sitcoms when I'm just needing to chill and laugh!! HOWEVER, that show chronically spouts OMG at every turn..... so now I'm convicted to not watch it any more. Like I say may sound like a "small" thing, yet I think we should revere God's name that much!!.... even in the every day, small things!<br /><br />And God's "last name" is not damn either! Heard that at Christian camp as a teenager & was able to claim that when some hoodlums tried to break into church (when I was there alone practicing music). Me: 14 at the time, & being a skinny scrawny lil' ole' thing, there's no way I would have had the strength to have shut that steel door against 3 brute teenage boys! I truly believe an angel shut that door for me that day.<br /><br />apologies.... "rabbit trails"<br /><br />Thanks for the great essay, Elizabeth!<br /><br />Revanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-623381674309927742014-06-25T10:04:49.013-04:002014-06-25T10:04:49.013-04:00"(I wonder what Jesus will say to the leaders..."(I wonder what Jesus will say to the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention when He brings up Beth Moore's false prophecies and erroneous teaching...and that not only did they tolerate them but LifeWay made money off them...)"<br /><br />Valuable food for thought, there. And good not to fall into a trap of thinking the SBC is the greatest thing just because it's one of the more theologically sound denominations on the level of its spiritual leadership.Hakam Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114741274619345717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-73706819846499336992014-06-24T21:23:56.453-04:002014-06-24T21:23:56.453-04:00A lot of my Facebook friends are Christians. Other...A lot of my Facebook friends are Christians. Others are not Christian but consider themselves spiritual. And some have no religious or spiritual persuasion that I can tell. Yet all three of these groups post a lot of the same blurbs from Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen, as well as "speaking for God" type stuff from unnamed authors that tells us what God says or God wants without scriptural reference. The fact that both Christian and non-Christian friends post this stuff is disturbing and points to the lack of discernment on the part of my Christian friends. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com