tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post5821059190066924911..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: Discernment Lesson: Deconstructing Beth Moore's most popular storyElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-47377702649553407272017-01-07T09:30:36.782-05:002017-01-07T09:30:36.782-05:00The supernatural schools have nothing to do with C...The supernatural schools have nothing to do with Christianity. They are bastions of satan. They teach a different Gospel, a different Jesus, and are man-centered misuse of the faith. The people who teach there are ignorant fools. Supernatural schools have been around for a long time.<br /><br />Now there were some itinerant Jewish exorcists who tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those with evil spirits. They would say, “I bind you by Jesus, whom Paul proclaims.” 14Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, “Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but you, who are you?”… Acts 19:13-14Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-69837801585245312152016-12-30T00:15:13.920-05:002016-12-30T00:15:13.920-05:00I just wanted to second the comment above that I&#...I just wanted to second the comment above that I'd like to hear Elizabeth's thoughts on the supernatural schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-29790862754219439982016-06-22T12:06:36.168-04:002016-06-22T12:06:36.168-04:00Thanks so much for the clarification. "Surren...Thanks so much for the clarification. "Surrendered my will"...there you go. Good. I am assuming that means obedience.<br /><br />As for fruit, it's good that you plant seeds. We all do. Evidence of salvation, though, is production of fruit that will be visible to the people around you, your family, husband, pastor, etc. It's how we identify who the Christians <i>are</i>. GotQuestions explains:<br /><br />"Galatians 5:22-23 tells us, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.” The fruit of the Holy Spirit is the result of the Holy Spirit’s presence in the life of a Christian. The Bible makes it clear that everyone receives the Holy Spirit the moment he or she believes in Jesus Christ (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14). One of the primary purposes of the Holy Spirit coming into a Christian's life is to change that life. It is the Holy Spirit's job to conform us to the image of Christ, making us more like Him."<br /><br />Thanks again for the clarification. I wrote the above in case there are lurkers wondering how important visible fruit is to our lives.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-70787874437348228062016-06-22T11:58:47.658-04:002016-06-22T11:58:47.658-04:00Hey Elizabeth
No need for concern...I'm in :)...Hey Elizabeth <br />No need for concern...I'm in :)<br />My sins, which are many, have been forgiven thru the shedding of Christ's blood. I am a disciple of Jesus and hope to hear "well done, good and faithful servant" one day.<br />I chimed in on this conversation because God did and does speak to us...or at least he has to me. This was no "feelings" incident. The burning in my heart was physical and I knew that it was God and he was talking to me. I told my mom and my pastor and was told to go down front the next week and profess that Jesus died for my sins and that I believe in him for my salvation, which I did. Funny, I remember there was no feeling of any sort when I professed or afterwards. It was simple childlike obedience and faith. <br />It was years later that I actually understood and surrendered my will - still a hard and continuous thing for me. <br />God making himself real to me that day gave me a lifetime of certainty of his existence and of his <br />majesty. He kept me safe and was always with me thru a very difficult childhood and during my days of rebellion as a teen and young adult. Knowing him only in that way was enough to pull me back in when I headed down some disastrous paths. He was/is my Shepherd. I listen to his voice.<br />As for fruit? I think I'm a seed planter. I till the soil and plant which doesn't lend itself to enjoy the fruit so much here on earth. <br />Thank you for asking and being concerned about my salvation :) <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-67390552369381673562016-06-20T11:27:17.176-04:002016-06-20T11:27:17.176-04:00Hi Anonymous,
I loved how you distinguished betwe...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />I loved how you distinguished between the audible voice (not biblical today) and the leading of the Spirit (totally biblical today). I agree.<br /><br />I'm so glad you know God is real! But I'm concerned, I gently say that inspired scripture says we convert not because of a temporary heart feeling at age 5, but having heard the Gospel and repented. Paul said in Rom 10:14,<br /><br /><i>How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?</i><br /><br />There is a difference between head knowledge (knowing God is real) and conversion into a new man (reborn). Even the demons know God is real and who he is...they call Him the Most High, they shudder, and tey htremble.<br /><br />Have you repented of sin and have demonstrated that repentance by producing fruit? That is the genuine evidence of rebirth. I'm sorry, I have to ask. :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-83866428284963375972016-06-20T11:07:35.260-04:002016-06-20T11:07:35.260-04:00True believers are given the Holy Spirit and we ar...True believers are given the Holy Spirit and we are told that the Spirit will teach us all things. John 14:26. We will "hear" his voice because we know him (and the more we know him the better we can discern his voice - comes from reading his Word and obeying him), because his Spirit resides in us, and because he has told us that we, his sheep, will hear his voice. <br />This hearing is of the heart...he spoke to me as a child (about 5 years old while sitting in church). I didn't know what he was saying but my heart literally burned and I knew it was God talking to me. What that voice did that day for me was confirm for a lifetime that God is real and he is who he says he is...the great I AM. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-34766797135348499362016-06-12T05:36:15.317-04:002016-06-12T05:36:15.317-04:00Hi Elizabeth,
The problem with glorifying direct ...Hi Elizabeth,<br /><br />The problem with glorifying direct revelation from God goes further than this too. In such a church be prepared that most followers are completely faking visions 'words' and direct revelations to get 'in' with the celebrity pastor bigshots. I believe the Holy Spirit does encourage and convict us on a personal and intimate level, but such revelations need to be discerned and more importantly, kept to oneself, not used to gloat about how special you are compared to the other poor souls who don't hear God's voice.<br /><br />Most prohecies in the bible were very negative, and for a reason. God brought vocal prophets as a last resort, because his people had already rejected his inner voice from within their hearts. This warranted God using a vocal and angry human to yell about God's feelings and imminent discipline to their faces. The gooey feel good prophecies today are both fake and unnecessary. Generally when things are going good in the nation state, God doesn't say anything. <br /><br />As someone who has lurked on this blog a while, I'm quite eager to hear your opinion on the uprise of supernatural schools. Really, churches are now holding guarantee your money back courses and schools on supernatural ministry, and promise to graduate you as a prophet. Check out Bethel's school of supernatural ministet.New Precedenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05432278896518435261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54310910153667318532016-06-10T14:07:22.399-04:002016-06-10T14:07:22.399-04:00Very clearly explains how they operate in order to...Very clearly explains how they operate in order to seduce and deceive, thanks. <br />I believe these gnostics (false teachers) are the nicolatians (literal meaning: to rule over the people) also mentioned in Revelation 2-3 (message to the churches).Cynthia Albahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00991021804589405682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-68279785322020420222016-06-10T13:52:23.691-04:002016-06-10T13:52:23.691-04:00Excellent article! It is sad, and ridiculous to wa...Excellent article! It is sad, and ridiculous to watch men and women glorify charismatic and attractive leaders above the eternal word of God. I love Isaiah 53 and 1 Corinthians 2:1-5, because they make it clear that God is not concerned with attracting people through the flesh. Heaven and earth will pass away...but God's word will never, ever pass away:<br />https://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/02/the-written-word-what-did-jesus-the-apostles-and-the-psalmists-say-about-the-written-word-of-god/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067638864924265034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-40214973812431425252016-06-10T07:21:12.213-04:002016-06-10T07:21:12.213-04:00Hi Paul,
The verse you refer to about hearing God...Hi Paul,<br /><br />The verse you refer to about hearing God's voice is this one:<br /><br />My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.<br /><br />It breaks the most basic rule of hermeneutics (correct biblical interpretation) to use that as a basis for claiming that all Christians will hear God's voice. This is because when one interprets the verse, we have to stay consistent in interpreting it. If a verse is being interpreted as poetry it has to be interpreted as poetry throughout. If it's history, then it's history. If it's narrative, then it's narrative.<br /><br />The verse you use to say we should hear God's voice is being twisted by two interpretive methods: If we are literally supposed to hear God's voice then that means we're literally sheep.<br /><br />At CARM.org we read this: <i>"It is important to interpret Scripture according to its literary styles so we might better grasp what is being said. For example, when the Bible says that God “shall cover you with His feathers, and under His wings you shall take refuge...” (Psalm 91:4), it’s imperative to understand that poetic language is being used, and not historical narrative."</i><br /><br />It's the same with the sheep/voice verse.<br /><br />Hebrews 1:1 says that in the past God spoke in many ways but now in these times He has spoken thru His Son. His Son is the Word, and the word is recorded for us so that in one sense, yes, ALL CHristians can "hear" Jesus by reading it. We "hear" his voice when we read the Bible and obey its commands. Expecting all Christians to be able to <b>literally</b>, hear an audible voice is mystical and incorrect. The reason you are perplexed at its absence from most Christians is because it's not happening with most Christians and that is because it's not supposed toElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-49239707083427772422016-06-10T05:35:00.427-04:002016-06-10T05:35:00.427-04:00Thanks Elizabeth, yes there will always be false p...Thanks Elizabeth, yes there will always be false preachers, and I don't like screaming preachers anyway. But that does not mean that we ought to throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak.<br />Remember that the Lord Jesus said that His children will hear His voice John 10:27 – 28.<br />And we need to hear His voice NOW and not when we leave the earth.<br /> <br />When a person is born of God, that person will hear His voice, or else he is not born again. <br />Dead people can not hear, only those who are born (again) will hear, they are those who are alive.<br /><br />Again we need to believe what Jesus said and not someone else who is speaking contrary to Jesus.<br />The Lord Jesus did say that we hear His voice John 10:27.<br /><br />It troubles me if the children of God don't hear His voice.<br /><br />I think that those who are born of the Spirit surely will be able to discern what is of the Spirit of God and what is not.<br />Paul.Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.com