tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post6576967434921679972..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: The Great Apostasy is not the general apostasy we're experiencing nowElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-26565852567683585902016-04-14T16:50:33.639-04:002016-04-14T16:50:33.639-04:00As the Spirit said expressly that in the latter da...As the Spirit said expressly that in the latter days some would depart from the faith by giving heed to seducing spirits and serpent theology, "speaking lies in hypocrisy", the whole head is sick and the body with putrifying sores". The gross darkness on the people has hidden the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, so men and women continue to "worship they know not what." "Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived". Unless the Lord shorten these days of apostasy, even the Elect remnant will not be able to endure to the end.Brother Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12918982208093449595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-42687476994796829682014-08-13T22:56:57.851-04:002014-08-13T22:56:57.851-04:00One apostasy I can think of is that many have conf...One apostasy I can think of is that many have confused the writings of Paul into thinking he was talking about doing good deeds when he speaks of "works of the law" - when in fact he was speaking of the Mosaic rituals. So in many churches, religion has become one of belief and lip service only, without changing one's life. So its interesting Paul calls the antichrist the "man of lawlessness."Doug Webberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071107950046910342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-78926898680146325182014-08-06T21:58:54.588-04:002014-08-06T21:58:54.588-04:00Mario, while the Tribulation will be a time of unp...Mario, while the Tribulation will be a time of unparalleled death, it will be a time of unparalleled evangelism. Many, MANY will come to the truth during that time. Yes, it is risky, death may arrive sooner than the person repents, others who have heard and rejected will be hardened. Still others who take the Mark in Rev 13 will never come to the truth. And of course the delusion you reference, will make things very difficult for many.<br /><br />But again, multitudes will come to faith in Jesus. Even those who heard the truth BEFORE the rapture, because the rapture will be a sign to them. We know that at some point God gives them over, and the Hebrews verse kicks in. But we puny humans never know when that moment will be for any person or group. It's presumptuous to generalize and claim dogmatically that all people who heard the gospel before the rapture will never come to faith. <br /><br />This essay explains more, and has the bible verses.<br /><br />http://www.gotquestions.org/second-chance-rapture.htmlElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-3092103197039949242014-08-06T16:38:40.925-04:002014-08-06T16:38:40.925-04:00Stated,
“...As a result of the Rapture occurring...Stated,<br /><br /><br />“...As a result of the Rapture occurring Many will realize they missed it and will come to the Lord afterwards...”<br /><br /><br />That's, as they say, “skating on thin ice.”<br /><br /><br />“For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth” (II Thes. 2:7-12).<br /><br /><br />After the removal of the restrainer and the revealing of the man of sin, there will be no more opportunity for salvation for one particular group of people. <br /><br /><br />This group consists of all unbelievers, inside or outside the church and those who are guilty of apostasy from the truth, after adequately hearing the truth of God's Word, but have willingly and intentionally refused to love that truth.<br /><br /><br />God will send those individuals a strong delusion so that they may never again have an opportunity to believe the truth they refused to love.<br /><br /><br />God's purpose in sending the “powerful delusion” is so that they “will be condemned.” Therefore, for those who have heard and understood God's Word, yet did not love and receive its truths, “no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God” (Heb. 10:26-27).<br /><br /><br />Salvation during the days of the tribulation will be offered only to those who never had an adequate opportunity to receive the knowledge of the truth or to hear and understand the gospel (Rev. 7:14; 11:3; 14:6-7). <br /><br /><br />MarioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-76520954800725529342014-08-06T14:02:18.983-04:002014-08-06T14:02:18.983-04:00Hi Leon,
Thanks for your input!
Apostasy does me...Hi Leon,<br /><br />Thanks for your input!<br /><br />Apostasy does mean departure: it's departure from the truth. THE apostasy is when the antichrist stands in the temple and fulfulls the prophecy of the abomination of desolation. He is the ultimate fulfillment of the departure from the truth because he will lead the entire world in a departure from it.<br /><br />I am aware of the alternate definition that some purport means the departure meaning leaving earth in the rapture. But this is wrong. <br /><br />Apostasia in Greek means "defection, apostasy, revolt" (http://biblehub.com/greek/646.htm) and we can obviously know that it means the departure is from the truth because for 6000 years people have departed from the truth and no one has been raptured as a departure from this earth (except Enoch and Elijah.).<br /><br />The context in the 2 Thess verse refers to the antichrist as the topic, not the general population. The antichrist will depart from the truth and lead the world in defection against the Lord's truth . The rapture is pre-trib anyway from other proof texts.<br /><br />John MacArthur explains the great Apostasy in the Thess verse: "It is used in Joshua 22:22 that's in the Greek Old Testament, the Septuagint, of rebellion against God. A long definition...a deliberate abandonment of a formerly professed religious position"Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79927730054000717542014-08-06T13:43:13.913-04:002014-08-06T13:43:13.913-04:00Elizabeth,
A good article indeed. But, I believe...Elizabeth,<br /> A good article indeed. But, I believe it is overall wrong. This is because the word "Apostate" or "Apostasy" that is used in the KJV and many other modern translations is not correctly used. In the World English Bible and Also the Geneva Bible the word is correctly translated as Departure (as in the Rapture). <br />Geneva Bible 2 Thess 2 v3 3 Let no man deceive you by any means:]for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.<br />World English Bible 2 Thess 2 v3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction<br /><br />Yes I agree with you as you say in your article that there is increasing general apostasy (very obvious). But I think if you read the 2 Thess 2 scripture and remember the context and theme of the chapter you will see how it makes better sense.<br />The theme is "Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him"<br /><br />I did an extensive study of this topic about Apostasy in 2 Thess 2 because it didn't make sense to me, and this is what I concluded. <br /><br />A link to one article by Thomas Ice <br /><br />https://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/TheRapturein2Thessalonians2_3.html<br /><br />As a result of the Rapture occurring Many will realize they missed it and will come to the Lord afterwards. Of course many, many people will reject the Lord during the Trib too. <br />I just wanted to share.<br /><br />LeonLeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04259251345601209052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-2616845725583642242014-08-06T11:51:08.911-04:002014-08-06T11:51:08.911-04:00Hi Jane,
You're welcome. I am not sure about ...Hi Jane,<br /><br />You're welcome. I am not sure about the second article, but as for the article referred to in the article, I believe it's valid, though I had my doubts at first. But it was reported several times, so...As to the second article, it is in Hebrew and I can't find a good translator program to read it for myself. Google Translate doesn't do well with it, so I can't determine its veracity. But I'm not surprised if God DID re-direct their missiles, it is something He would do and has done before. So like you, we know the general concept is true :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-8698890659947793562014-08-06T09:15:47.955-04:002014-08-06T09:15:47.955-04:00Elizabeth - Thank you for commenting on the articl...Elizabeth - Thank you for commenting on the article! Some had commented that the article was fraudulent but, even if it is, I know that God can and will protect Israel! Janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-37678702490610838572014-08-05T21:38:08.848-04:002014-08-05T21:38:08.848-04:00Hi Jane,
No I had not seen the Hebrew article nor...Hi Jane,<br /><br />No I had not seen the Hebrew article nor its translation. Thank you for sharing it! I had seen the one where the Palestinian makes the claim that the Gaza rockets were diverted by God<br /><br />In Ezekiel 38-39 God says many times that during the Gog-Magog battle He will personally protect Israel, "so they will know I am their God". He also will do this so the world will know He is Israel's protector, *and* that He is holy.<br /><br />Ez 38:16b: that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.<br /><br />Ez 38:23- So I will show my greatness and my holiness and make myself known in the eyes of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.<br /><br />Ez 39:6b- and they shall know that I am the Lord.<br /><br />Ez 39:7- “And my holy name I will make known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let my holy name be profaned anymore. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. <br /><br />Ez 39:21- “And I will set my glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid on them. <br /><br />Ez 39:22- The house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God, from that day forward.<br /><br />The nations and Israel will know this because God will:<br />--rain down brimstone, fire, and hail<br />--cause a huge earthquake<br />--bring confusion among the armies<br /> <br />and this:<br /><br />"Then I will strike your bow from your left hand, and will make your arrows drop out of your right hand." Ez 39:3<br /><br />That verse is telling of a prophetic battle still to come, but it reminds me of the comments from the eyewitnesses who say they saw the rockets diverted by a supernatural power. It is the same power that has been protecting Israel all along, and the one who enabled their miraculous victories in the first war, the six-day war, etc<br /><br />The difference is that in the coming Ezekiel war, Israel will know it and all the world will know it. The tales won't be told among a few eyewitnesses and an obscurely translated newspaper, but will be known throughout the world. The Ezekiel war will be SO determining, that Israel re-enters their old covenant with God as a result of it. (Though the Jews won't claim Jesus in the New Covenant until the end of the Tribulation as Zechariah 12:10-14 records).<br /><br />The bible shows that he has always looked out for His nation and His people, and will always do so into the future. The Israelis won their first war in 1948 with, like, one tank. I'm exaggerating, but that war began almost before the announcement of Israel's independence was finished printing, and they literally had not time to get lots of war matériel. Logically and militarily, they should not have won it.<br /><br />As for WND.com, I'm not a huge fan of the news site...<br /><br />We can praise the Lord that the day WILL come that "they will know I am the LORD" as He says.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-41817237372270823072014-08-05T17:35:08.800-04:002014-08-05T17:35:08.800-04:00Hi Elizabeth, have you seen this article? What do...Hi Elizabeth, have you seen this article? What do you think? http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/hand-of-god-sent-missile-into-sea/Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06644961010989739743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-42330045390637661692014-08-05T14:46:50.869-04:002014-08-05T14:46:50.869-04:00Right on, dear sister! The big apostasy is going t...Right on, dear sister! The big apostasy is going to be a bit like a Trojan Horse of sorts. We'll all be looking at this thing, thinking that it looks out of place, and then . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-22621072499777715962014-08-05T09:58:54.796-04:002014-08-05T09:58:54.796-04:00Elizabeth,
Can you believe that I have no comment...Elizabeth,<br /><br />Can you believe that I have no comment to say on today’s article, other than to say you are right on! Good job and I think it was covered very well!<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />Rick<br />Metro AtlantaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com