tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post8263470836924256143..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: I believe the rapture will be soonElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-14925363560554948862016-12-28T22:31:24.818-05:002016-12-28T22:31:24.818-05:00Message to James:
Your vitriol is not "debun...Message to James:<br /><br />Your vitriol is not "debunking". It's sin. If the doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture enrages you so greatly, please exhibit some self-control and move on to another blog that does not inflame your sin so much. God speed.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-25311253954437952342016-12-28T22:16:22.575-05:002016-12-28T22:16:22.575-05:00Anonymous, you're right. Salvation exempts bel...Anonymous, you're right. Salvation exempts believers from the punishing wrath to come and the eternal wrath of hell. Since the Tribulation wrath is starting to be poured out at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev 6:16-17) onto the non-believing world, we are removed from it prior. We will not endure the wrath. WE won't endure the wrath, but the left behind, non-believing world will.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-61188126324005687742016-12-28T22:02:49.242-05:002016-12-28T22:02:49.242-05:00Christians not being appointed to wrath have nothi...Christians not being appointed to wrath have nothing to do with a rapture. The verse explicitly states that wrath is averted by Christ, through repentance, i.e SALVATION!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-29911381651910721782016-12-25T06:20:56.137-05:002016-12-25T06:20:56.137-05:00Matthew 24 is not about the rapture. It is about t...Matthew 24 is not about the rapture. It is about the Tribulation. Further, the address of the discourse is to the Jews, not the church.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-33475286930620473162016-12-25T01:28:16.492-05:002016-12-25T01:28:16.492-05:00Paul wrote the Rapture is a mystery which he revea...Paul wrote the Rapture is a mystery which he revealed in 1 Cor 15:51. Matthew 24 which was written before 1Cor 15 cannot be about the Rapturejameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01852806724318410456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-83548518781345137492016-12-22T21:33:12.392-05:002016-12-22T21:33:12.392-05:00Thank you!
The verse is referring to the gatherin...Thank you!<br /><br />The verse is referring to the gathering of the Tribulation believers, scattered due to persecution, to usher in the Millennial reign. cf Daniel 7:13-14. Here is commentary<br /><br /><i>He will then send His angels forth to regather His elect from the four winds, which relates to the earth (cf. Mark 13:27), from one end of the heavens to the other. This involves the gathering of those who will have become believers during the Seventieth Week of Daniel and who will have been scattered into various parts of the world because of persecution (cf. Matt. 24:16). This gathering will probably also involve all Old Testament saints, whose resurrection will occur at this time, so that they may share in Messiah’s kingdom (Dan. 12:2–3, 13).</i><br /><br />The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures (Vol. 2, p. 78). J. F. Walvoord<br /><br />Jesus said that His church would not see His wrath (Rev 3:10) nor would His church be overcome (Mt 16:18) yet He allows the believers to be overcome in the wrathful Tribulation (Rev 13:7) so for these not to be a lie and a contradiction, the church must have been removed first. :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-72975156569125438212016-12-22T21:10:04.748-05:002016-12-22T21:10:04.748-05:00Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days sh...Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:<br /><br />30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.<br /><br />31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09591850479113093537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79045979145704680972016-12-22T20:50:59.430-05:002016-12-22T20:50:59.430-05:00Verse and address please.Verse and address please.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-81246785436842710472016-12-22T20:45:21.901-05:002016-12-22T20:45:21.901-05:00In Mathew 24 Jesus said the rapture would happen A...In Mathew 24 Jesus said the rapture would happen AFTER the tribulation and I believe him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09591850479113093537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-91198277427460131382015-07-12T21:13:29.634-04:002015-07-12T21:13:29.634-04:00I look forward to the rapture, and also think it w...I look forward to the rapture, and also think it will be very soon. However, lately, I've talked to other Christians and they don't seem to want to talk about it. I tell you, it's something I am sooo excited about but I wonder why other Christians don't want to discuss it or scoff at it, or complain that we've been waiting forever and still nothing has happened. I don't care if this article was written in 2011 or if it's 2015 right now, or what date it is. I'm still going to be watching and waiting and looking for signs no matter how silly other Christians make me feel for doing so. Looking for signs does NOT take away from my faith or make me lose focus in my Christianity. It makes be more on fire for God than ever. I can't believe the denial going on right now. Sure, we don't know everything, and sometimes we think something is a sign, and it isn't. But sometimes it is. I heard some really strange noises outside like a trumpet blowing in the sky and loud banging like on a metal drum, repeatedly. I do think this has something to do with God warning us that the rapture is near. But, when I tell people that I think it's a sign, they only laugh at me. Hugh? Are we not supposed to question, and discern, and wonder, and look for signs and keep watch? I'm going to do it NO MATTER WHAT! I'm very excited about the rapture. I only wonder why other Christians are not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-34658634061244958852015-04-23T23:09:27.386-04:002015-04-23T23:09:27.386-04:00I had a dream in which Jesus came to me and said &...I had a dream in which Jesus came to me and said "soon you will come into my kingdom". I woke up saying those words aloud. I have been longing for Jesus return and for a time just thought it was a dream from my wishful yearnings. But in my spirit I intensely feel like he is coming soon. I have had two other dreams that came true and a prayer that was answered in an absolutely amazing way! I absolutely feel certain that it will be soon and I for one can't wait to be in the presence of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-88307484748059966112014-01-02T22:40:35.222-05:002014-01-02T22:40:35.222-05:00God bless you. I couldn't agree more. Our mast...God bless you. I couldn't agree more. Our master is coming!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-31693737041450925092013-07-02T14:02:44.240-04:002013-07-02T14:02:44.240-04:00it will actually become worse.. most of these girl...it will actually become worse.. most of these girls that get into the business come for farms that cannot sustain them financially so either they seek a better living themselves or sometimes even their family will sell them into prostitution.. so, if farming is going to get negatively impacted there will probably be a surge in girls available for prostitution. The world is getting worse, hence the end times, but our treasure is not of this world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-79787816826286042282013-05-22T16:59:53.954-04:002013-05-22T16:59:53.954-04:00We're still waiting. God never fails. Why woul...We're still waiting. God never fails. Why would we feel foolish?Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-5924257813257843092013-05-22T16:54:53.062-04:002013-05-22T16:54:53.062-04:00Are you guys feeling foolish yet or are you still ...Are you guys feeling foolish yet or are you still waiting? pmcollectorboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00418763501582041352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-54405748761005760902013-03-16T19:13:52.014-04:002013-03-16T19:13:52.014-04:00Wikipedia explains, "Earth Hour is a worldwid...Wikipedia explains, "Earth Hour is a worldwide event organized by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and held towards the end of March annually, encouraging households and businesses to turn off their non-essential lights for one hour to raise awareness about the need to take action on climate change."<br /><br />Anonymous, I admire your commitment to the earth, but personally while I am frugal, I don't believe in advocacy for climate change. The Lord is in charge of the earth and frankly, though we don't want to be deliberately messy, this is not our home. This earth will die and be remade. Nothing humans can do about "climate change" which is natural anyway because all things change, will prevent the earth's ultimate destruction. There is nothing we can do or should to to 'save our planet'.<br /><br />macArthur said<br /><br />"Everything is seen as having some kind of theistic energy in it. Everything is God. Everything has power. Everything has energy. And you want to plug in to that energy. Now we just had Earth Day. And I ask myself on a number of occasions, "What is Earth Day?" And I realize what it was, for some people it was an elevating of environmental consciousness which is certainly good. All of us would like to do something to enhance our environment and to protect the creation of God. And that's very good. But to the orchestrators and the fanatics, Earth Day was based upon a Pantheistic view and it was "let's stop the world and worship the earth." We'll all worship the earth. I was very interested in the fact that down at the beach there was a huge Earth Day celebration and everybody left and nobody cleaned up a horrendous mess. The Earth is God, let's stop and worship the Earth. It doesn't seem to be a problem for the government to tolerate that, I can't imagine what would happen if somebody decided to have a God day or a Jesus Christ day. See, nothing has more value than anything else. Save the rain forests, save the whales, save the dolphins, save the oak trees, don't kill a cat in medical research even if it might save thousands of people from death"<br /><br />Earth Day and Earth Hour can and often does spill over into worshiping the creation rather than the Creator...Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-76000917948954844072013-03-16T18:58:09.178-04:002013-03-16T18:58:09.178-04:00SORRY GUYS I WROTE THAT WHEN I WAS VERY TIRED! THE...SORRY GUYS I WROTE THAT WHEN I WAS VERY TIRED! THE EARTH HOUR IS ON THE 23 OF MARCH FROM 8:30 TO 9:30 P.M :-) earth hour is a day when people around the world turn out there lights for one hour to make a stand towards saving our planet BUT WE KNOW THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SAVE US IS BY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! so please get together everyone you know and PRAY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-37712175046574441122013-03-16T04:51:19.022-04:002013-03-16T04:51:19.022-04:00I know one thing and that is even though we do not...I know one thing and that is even though we do not know the day or the hour I know that the rapture will take place! the world is definitly going backwards and we christians need to PRAY! I't is going to happen sometime and I believe soon and we need to pray for the other people that they will give there hearts to God,that the christians will be ready for the time that Jesus comes,CHRISTIANS DO HAVE A SAY WE CAN PRAY!!! I am trying to get all the people I know to all pray on the 25th (EARTH HOUR)<br />To pray for many things Including the drought in nz. You can do it too :-) get everyone you know,send out emails....It will make a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-35699346927377286982012-10-02T15:03:08.346-04:002012-10-02T15:03:08.346-04:00Just to serve as an example, I was on a website th...Just to serve as an example, I was on a website that acknowledged we are in the last days, yet dismissed the pre-trib rapture as a fantasy. The author at one point made the following statement:<br /><br />So we are at least 7+ years away from the harpazo Resurrection-Rapture. When might those begin? Most of us hope that they are a long way away. <br /><br />In other words, he is not looking forward to the Blessed Hope of the Church. To say that he hopes it is a long way off means that he does not yearn for the return of Christ, but would apparently rather it not happen in his lifetime. Obviously, if an individual does not believe in a pre-trip rapture, then they would loathe the idea of going through the worst time on earth, the tribulation period. But that effectively robs a believer of that joyous event that we are all to be looking for. Rather than "Come soon, Lord Jesus," a person with these beliefs would rather be praying, "Lord Jesus, tarry a good while longer." Truehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16820800451824920745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-80320021253944437982011-11-18T21:45:13.518-05:002011-11-18T21:45:13.518-05:00The Rapture is the blessed hope of all born again ...The Rapture is the blessed hope of all born again believers. And as true believers we should be professing this to everyone we know. Because the rapture is an at any moment event, time is shorter than some Christians realize, so we should be motivated by the spirit of Christ to bring as many brothers and sisters into this knowledge. The time is close so we say come soon Lord, amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-10085406012113394482011-11-07T06:21:00.730-05:002011-11-07T06:21:00.730-05:00Albert, though your concept is good and should be ...Albert, though your concept is good and should be applied in most cases, the Pre-Tribulation rapture is not a dishonest doctrine. I put a menu box in the upper left that has the scriptures, and if you search on this blog for pre-trib there will be many more scriptures. No one who refutes the pre-trib stance uses scripture to do it..because they can't. It's biblical doctrine.<br /><br />But yes, always look to see who is a solid teacher of doctrine, though using google may not always be the best method, in favor of using the bible, that is.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-24677423183837372692011-11-07T00:33:04.224-05:002011-11-07T00:33:04.224-05:00Since II Tim. 3:14 says we should know "of wh...Since II Tim. 3:14 says we should know "of whom" we have learned our doctrine, we should Google "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" so we can honestly "vet" our favorite Bible teachers! AlbertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-51600090767334860722011-10-30T13:38:51.654-04:002011-10-30T13:38:51.654-04:00An answer to the pre-trib doctrine of the rapture,...An answer to the pre-trib doctrine of the rapture, and also an answer to the fact that there WILL be a rapture, based on history, for those who became confused by Anonymous's comment that it first appeared in the Scofield bible notes. I'm answering this because Anonymous's stance is a false meme that just won't go away. At least, it won't go away until the rapture happens.<br /><br />A common misperception among many Christians is the following, in this case stated by a person calling themselves "azindy" on the Daily Kos, who wrote an error-ridden piece called "The History of the Rapture."<br /><br />"From the beginning of the Christian era until the Protestant Reformation, only one person, Ephraem of Nisibis, in 373 AD preached in one known sermon [about the pre-trib rapture]. <br /><br />This false view is that the rapture doctrine was never known until the mid-1800s and 'discovered' by John Darby, or Margaret MacDonald or Scofield. This position is patently false and a-biblical.<br /><br />The following early church fathers wrote or preached about it:<br />The Shepherd of Hermas (95-150)<br />Victorinus (died in 303 A.D.)<br />Ephraem of Nisibis (306-373)<br />Brother Dolcino (d. 1307)<br />Joseph Mede (1627): Clavis Apocalyptica<br />Increase Mather (1639-1723)<br />Peter Jurieu (1687)<br />John Gill (1748)<br /><br />So you can see that the rapture as a doctrine and especially pre-trib removal was not something that popped up in the mid 1800s.<br /><br />I can go back even further though. Paul revealed the pretrib rapture 1 Cor 15;51; 1 Thess 5:9.<br /><br />oops, I can go back further:<br />Isaiah 26:20; confirming what Paul said in 1 Thess 4:15 when Paul said it is "according to the Lord's own word" and Isaiah 26:20 is that word.<br /><br />Sure, people make errors in interpretation. However this does not excuse the Christian from diligent searching of the scriptures and a thorough biblical understanding of why he believes as he does. An attitude of "aw shucks we all make mistakes, can't we just get along?' ain't gonna cut it. And I mean searching the *scriptures*, not relying on Scofield notes or Darby or memes or cutting and pasting from websites like the Daily Kos. <br /><br />Anonymous's answer is typical. It is an ad hominem attack (I know nothing of church history, obviously) coupled with a straw man argument (don't 'throw away' a whole denomination; I call people heretics) combined with extra-biblical proof texts (Scofield notes, and likely a bit of cutting from Daily Kos or another meme-like website promoting this falsity), a reference to a long-standing church membership (therefore what I say must be true) and a few cultural references like Late Great Planet Earth. Where were the scriptures to support the stance? Absent.<br /><br />Brethren, BECAUSE this doctrine was revealed to us in the bible, because it is supposed to give us hope, because it is so controversial now in the last days when we are TOLD there will be attacks on solid doctrine, it behooves us to turn to the bible and study.<br /><br />Even after that, if we still disagree, fine, because it is not a cardinal doctrine.<br /><br />Of course I won't "throw away" a whole denomination based on a non-cardinal doctrine. <br /><br />When I "throw away" a whole denomination it is because they failed to adhere to a cardinal doctrine.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-72366519650597249882011-10-30T12:57:09.280-04:002011-10-30T12:57:09.280-04:00Anonymous said:
"Obviously neither of you kn...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"Obviously neither of you know your church history when it comes to the doctrine of the rapture."<br /><br />Oh. Well obviously.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-3536875467985220142011-10-30T09:24:18.550-04:002011-10-30T09:24:18.550-04:00Elizabeth and Lisa,
I would laugh at Lisa's co...Elizabeth and Lisa,<br />I would laugh at Lisa's comment about "orthodox christian biblical teaching" except it reminds me of the Inquisition and the attitude of the Catholic Church at that time. Obviously neither of you know your church history when it comes to the doctrine of the rapture. There have been books written for at least the past 30 plus years about the 4 main views of End Times and none of those views are new, except dispensationalism as it is taught today thanks to Scofield. The church has been divided about the rapture for a long, long time. Please don't throw out whole denominations and many Godly people and call them heretics simply because your view is different. As an example, many conservative Presbyterians (I'm NOT talking about the liberal PCUSA) do not believe in dispensationalism but are amillenial. I grew up in and I've met many within solid evangelical Bible teaching and preaching Community Churches, as well as within the plethora of Baptist churches, who also do not fall within the dispensational camp - the church is not now and never has been within the past 200 years unified on this 'doctrine', especially as it is taught today. I am old enough to remember when The Late Great Planet Earth came out, and the movie Left Behind and all of the End Time stuff started heating up - Lindsay was an entertaining author and the whole world was in social upheaval at that time and the end of the world really resonated with people who were afraid of what was coming next. In the '60's it was at a boiling point, similar to what it is again now. Many who had a Scofield Bible read the notes as if they were part of Scripture, too. I have been a Christian for well over 50 years now and very active within the Church. I'm not a new Christian, I'm not a "backsliden" Christian, I read and study my Bible, I fellowship with other Christians in a good Bible believing and teaching church. Please be careful what you say about your brothers and sisters in the church - the rapture, or lack thereof, is not a salvific doctrine by any stretch of the imagination. Christ will return at the appointed time by the Father (and yes, it is a number foreordained by God). I frankly don't care whether it is during a "rapture" or at the Second Coming - He's coming for me one way or the other! We're all going to be surprised when we learn the truth because none of us are infallible in our doctrine - we are not God and each of us make errors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com