tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post8680428561200241896..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: Sequestration, world commerce, and the coming antichrist economyElizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-69925241080934527232013-03-26T01:37:43.616-04:002013-03-26T01:37:43.616-04:00Hi Elizabeth, I've just listened to John MacAr...Hi Elizabeth, I've just listened to John MacArthur's teaching on this subject. As you probably know, he totally dismisses the 1948 Israel theory. Instead he teaches that <br />'this generation' refers to the generation (of 40 years) who live 'through all these things', meaning that when all these thongs happen, they happen quickly. This makes sense to me. I wish I'd found your blog earlier! Thanks, John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-27044011942992843882013-03-25T15:41:29.580-04:002013-03-25T15:41:29.580-04:00Hi John,
Yes I did. I can't get to Blogger at...Hi John,<br /><br />Yes I did. I can't get to Blogger at work, it's blocked. (A school department). So I work with comments between 6-6:30 am and after school from 3:30 onward :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-83363837690097339332013-03-25T15:26:38.275-04:002013-03-25T15:26:38.275-04:00Hi Elizabeth, Did you get my reply posted earlier ...Hi Elizabeth, Did you get my reply posted earlier today? John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-52099514175904364032013-03-25T08:32:59.173-04:002013-03-25T08:32:59.173-04:00Hi Elizabeth, I would like to believe the theory t...Hi Elizabeth, I would like to believe the theory that the parable points to Israel becoming a nation again in 1948, and that theirs is the generation that will not pass away. Psalm 90 links a generation to a period of 70-80 years, so the implication is that Jesus' second coming might be imminent. However, Matthew 24 could also be interpreted as a prophecy concerning the demise of the temple, Jerusalem and Israel in the generation of AD 70, although some of the events of this chapter have obviously not yet taken place. Jesus says 'until all these things have happened', so I suppose this could be a dual prophecy indicating that our present generation is one of the last of the present church age. But basically, I don't know! John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-62967220918508744372013-03-24T13:13:04.514-04:002013-03-24T13:13:04.514-04:00Hi John,
Great. I admired his heart but not his r...Hi John,<br /><br />Great. I admired his heart but not his result, unfortunately.<br /><br />I'll leave it to you to check out the parable of the fig tree and get back to me on what YOU think ;)<br /><br />Have a good weekend and nice week ahead,<br />ElizabethElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-28518103147135076642013-03-24T13:04:34.726-04:002013-03-24T13:04:34.726-04:00Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your thoughtful and detai...Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed response. I agree with everything you say. I just don't believe it's possible for any human being (including Scottie, although he's incredibly creative!) to know when Jesus will return. Thanks also for the links which I'll check out soon. Do you have any particular take on the parable of the fig trees and 'this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened'? Again, no rush!Enjoy your Sunday. John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-71229001879864839212013-03-24T12:20:53.888-04:002013-03-24T12:20:53.888-04:00Hi John,
I found extended version. I watched 2:13....Hi John,<br />I found extended version. I watched 2:13.<br /><br />His premise is from the Rev 12:1a portion of this passage:<br /><br />"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days"<br /><br />His premise is that the woman clothed with the sun is a constellation that will appear at a certain time in the skies. Tying that with Luke's warning in chapter 21:25a that there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, he says "based on where this is [constellation] and what's going on when this sign happens, we can actually deduce where the rapture is." [on his timeline].<br /><br />But his 1st mistake is that he takes excessively narrow views of parts of a verse, out of context, ignoring the rest. If one reads the entire 6 verses above from Revelation 12, the woman clad with the sun cannot be a constellation. She is referred to as a she. She gives birth. The babe is someone who is on a throne, uses a scepter, and finally, the woman flees to the wilderness. Constellations don't do that.<br /><br />The commonly accepted interpretation of the Revelation passage is that the woman is Israel, the 12 stars are the 12 tribes. Her baby is Jesus, who ascended into heaven to rule from His throne.<br /><br />(here’s a link to an essay on How to Interpret the book of Revelation, http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html)<br /><br />Scott is taking parts of different verses to patch together something to support his man-made speculation to come to a conclusion of something that scripture actually says not to do: deduce the return of Jesus, whether it’s the rapture or the Second Coming. <br /><br />I personally believe that the end of all things is near but look at what Revelation 1:3 says, "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near." The time is near- 1,922 years ago! <br /><br />Scripture that says we cannot nor should we deduce His return:<br /><br />"keep watch, because we do not know on which day our Lord will come” (Mt 24:42)<br />"be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when we do not expect Him” (Mt 24:44)<br />"It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by His own authority." (Acts 1:7)<br /><br />Do those verses apply to all peoples except for Scott, who figured out that a certain grouping of stars in a certain place at a certain time means he knows when Jesus is returning? No, of course not.<br /><br />GotQuestions http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-coming-back.html#ixzz2OTQHXf4Q --<br />"The force of Jesus’ words diminishes if at some point in the future someone will be able to determine when He is coming back. If the date is discovered, we no longer need to “keep watch” or “be ready.” So, with the principle of Matthew 24:36-44 is mind, no, it is not possible for anyone to know the date that Jesus is coming back."<br /><br />We are not to know the times and dates, neither of the rapture nor of the Second Coming. I'd recommend just to read Revelation. It's fascinating, easier to understand than people think, and joyfully study with the Spirit. Any time someone says "I figured out a certain sign that means I know when He's coming back" is an automatic no-go in my book. Why? It would be divination, which is forbidden. (Deuteronomy 18:9-11; Deuteronomy 29:29; 1 Timothy 4:1)<br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-27994528407918348722013-03-24T10:41:15.923-04:002013-03-24T10:41:15.923-04:00Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your reply. If you have t...Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your reply. If you have time, would you mind checking out Scottie Clarke's video 'The most logical rapture theory' - extended 38 minute version- on YouTube (eternalrhythmflow)? I make no comment on it at present but would appreciate your opinion. There's no rush! Thanks, John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-84103312170529539842013-03-24T07:06:19.503-04:002013-03-24T07:06:19.503-04:00John, exactly! He washed away sin from us, so why ...John, exactly! He washed away sin from us, so why as Daniel 9:24 says, will be be punished for sin? It would be another contradiction. And you're right, Jeremiah 30:7 says, it is about Jacob, or Israel. The decree of so many years (490) was stopped short by 7. As the Lord resumes them, it is like a resumption of the Old Testament. The Spirit's ministry changes, the OT Judaism resumes- The practicalities of the situation are these:<br /><br />--sacrifices will resume at the temple.<br />--are the Tribulation saints to sacrifice? or are they saved by grace alone? <br /><br />It would be confusing and God is not the author of confusion.<br /><br />The end of the tribulation will be glorious- the Jews come to national repentance. Isaiah 53 is not properly interpreted as a future prophecy when it was written and fulfilled as Jesus died and rose again from the cross. It is a still future prophecy as the Jews at the end of days look BACK to the cross and realize what they missed, as they joyfully but mournfully claim Jesus as Messiah finally, as Zech 10 & 12 show.<br /><br />If a person understands the work the LORD is doing over all of time between the Jews and the Church, then it becomes clear. Romans 11:25-27 has it- God partially hardened the Jews as punishment, until the full number of Gentiles has come into the church, when that # is reached, we go to heaven via rapture, and He lifts that hardening to resume His work with His original chosen people.<br /><br />Great job John for checking these things out yourself Great! Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-9599694840100321812013-03-24T04:58:43.847-04:002013-03-24T04:58:43.847-04:00Hi Elizabeth, Having read your articles on the rap...Hi Elizabeth, Having read your articles on the rapture, 2 points I had forgotten about do seem to signify it as being a pre-trib event. a. As Christians we are made clean by our faith in Jesus Christ, so why would He then require us to endure any part of the tribulation? b. The great tribulation is more accurately known as the time of Jacob's trouble, indicating that it is a time of great refining of the Jewish people, who still do not recognise Jesus as their Messiah. Thanks for the clarification. John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-91733381235633489552013-03-22T16:47:45.215-04:002013-03-22T16:47:45.215-04:00Hi John,
Oh, heavens no, I didn't mean you! I...Hi John,<br /><br />Oh, heavens no, I didn't mean you! I mean that the bible is clear on it to such a degree that to hold anything but a pre-trib position means that verses begin to contradict each other, The only resolution that makes no contradiction is a pre-trib position. Anything else sets verses against each other that brings a failure of God to keep His promises, which we know can't happen :0 . SO sorry and don't think for a moment that I meant you. Your question was endearing and thoguhtfulElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-9240147271126594912013-03-22T16:43:42.698-04:002013-03-22T16:43:42.698-04:00Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your gracious reply and f...Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your gracious reply and for directing me to your essays on the pre-tribulation rapture. I'll read them with great interest. Please be assured that I would never call God a liar. Many blessings, John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-39592103314434689172013-03-22T15:45:09.942-04:002013-03-22T15:45:09.942-04:00Hi John,
I'm so glad you find anything here h...Hi John,<br /><br />I'm so glad you find anything here helpful to you in your walk.<br /><br />I'm sorry satan is stealing your certainty about the pre-trib rapture, because the rapture *is* to occur before the tribulation. Here is how you can know. If it is not pre-trib, Jesus/Holy Spirit/God is a liar. How? Here's how<br /><br />We are spared God's wrath, as He said in 1 Thess 5:9 and Rev 3:10. The wrath begins in Rev 6 with the opening of the seals as stated in Rev 6:16-17. If we go thru the wrath, it nullifies 1 Thess and Rev 3 and makes God a liar.<br /><br />He said that the gates of hell will not prevail against his church (Mt 16:18), but the power was given to antichrist to overcome against His saints in the Tribulation. (Rev. 13:7). If we are here in the Tribulation and overcome, it makes Jesus a liar.<br /><br />I have at least five essays on the blog on the pre-tribulational rapture, if you search in the box at the top right, they will come up. It is a lock, a certainty, scripture tells us, we won't be here.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-22499244261467209272013-03-22T15:27:24.513-04:002013-03-22T15:27:24.513-04:00Hi Elizabeth, This is a great blog with excellent ...Hi Elizabeth, This is a great blog with excellent articles. When I first started studying Bible prophecy I was absolutely certain that the rapture was pre-tribulational. However, the more I study scripture the less sure I am. Pre-wrath of the Lord rapture - yes, definitely. Pre-tribulation rapture - I honestly don't know! Blessings, John.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-85680115905109213572013-02-28T21:43:11.198-05:002013-02-28T21:43:11.198-05:00Good article, Elizabeth. Thanks for the instructiv...Good article, Elizabeth. Thanks for the instructive points about the timescale of an economic collapse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com