tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post9186363952623446181..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: Discernment: are people's visits to hell actually true?Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-13179555870169707412017-03-14T14:27:26.377-04:002017-03-14T14:27:26.377-04:00I appreciate the concern and explanations of the a...I appreciate the concern and explanations of the author. Truth, however, like he said can come from any source.I'm thinking now of King Saul who began prophesying(truth) with the prophets of God at a time when he was seeking to kill David! So yes Satan can mix truth with lies in order to deceive.God himself can use whoever he wants to achieve his purposes.Remember to the demons he said, "Who will go down and deceive Ahab that he may fall?"Look this up I may not be quoting word for word. THANKS. Acts 2:38 Mark 16:16 Acts 22:16. Born again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01436898414098207276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-86543200773343977182016-07-20T20:42:19.567-04:002016-07-20T20:42:19.567-04:00A 15 year old girl claimed a trip to hell on YouTu...A 15 year old girl claimed a trip to hell on YouTube a while back and it just honestly seemed like a scare tactic to shake the faith of Christians. She claimed there was a "room" where people who had bad thoughts were being tormented. Hmmm...Never read about anything like that in the bible. I don't focus on hell. I simply do my best to ensure HEAVEN is in my future. Another YouTuber claimed to have seen dead celebrities in Heaven who were Satanists and Atheists throughout some course in their lives. I honestly think a lot of these people are being paid VERY WELL to deceive Christians so we'll throw up our hands and GIVE UP our walk with God. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-74855866630345761092015-09-02T17:37:04.926-04:002015-09-02T17:37:04.926-04:00Tim, the Bible is not clear that death is a dreaml...Tim, the Bible is not clear that death is a dreamless sleep until the resurrection. There is no such doctrine as soul sleep. The moment we die, we face God's judgment (Hebrews 9:27). <br /><br />The verses recording the torment of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16:23-25 make it clear that souls are conscious and aware after death. The lost will be resurrected after the 1000 year kingdom has come to completion to be judged in the Great White Throne Judgment and then be cast into the Lake of Fire with their new bodies for final, eternal punishment. Eternal is eternal. There will be no reduction to ashes. Here is the Malachi 4:3 you base that on<br /><br />And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts.<br /><br />In that verse, God promises the righteous that they who were once trampled under the unrighteous acts of the wicked will have their fortunes will be reversed. Ashes were often spread on footpaths as a poor man's cement to provide better footing. This verse is an allusion to that.<br /><br />Jesus said the wicked will go to eternal torment. Since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin must also be infinite and eternal. That the sinner's punishment is forever is mentioned in these verses<br />Matthew 25:41, “unquenchable fire” <br />Matthew 3:12, “shame and everlasting contempt” <br />Daniel 12:2, a place where “the fire is not quenched” <br />Mark 9:44-49, a place of “torment” and “fire” <br />Luke 16:23-24, “everlasting destruction” <br />2 Thessalonians 1:9, a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever”<br />Revelation 14:10-11, a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10)<br /><br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-34383646757431579142015-09-02T15:03:51.996-04:002015-09-02T15:03:51.996-04:00Well since the Bible is clear that death is a drea...Well since the Bible is clear that death is a dreamless sleep until either the resurrection of the saved, or (1000 years later) the resurrection of the lost (Revelation 20:4-5, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2). Well technically Heaven does exist at the moment but the fiery lake of burning sulphur does not exist yet. Not only that but it doesn't burn for all eternity either but causes the second death (Revelation 21:8) and reduces the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3)Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15611531554641646911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-63181855125133818782014-05-05T18:22:06.944-04:002014-05-05T18:22:06.944-04:00Thanks for your reply. I looked up 1 Thessalonians...Thanks for your reply. I looked up 1 Thessalonians 1:3 and faith is not a work in that verse., It means that though faith is given by God, (and you and I had already agreed on that in the two comments above), the outworking of faith is service. Faith is a gift.<br /><br />I posted the verse that shows that the Jews will come to belief. Zech 12:10. There are others., it is not an assumption. God elected His people and at the end of time He will bring them into the sheepfold. It's the covenant He made with them. The entire 1000 year millennial kingdom is a fulfillment of this promise to them.<br /><br />One must believe on Jesus to enter heaven. God bestows the ability, He draws them via the Spirit and instills in them the regeneration necessary. <br /><br />Your question about what about people who never hear of Jesus is a contradiction since you already said twice that God instills the faith to believe. Nevertheless, here is an answer, it involves mans' responsibility for His sin, and his deliberate suppression of the truth despite the fact that God revealed Himself in creation--<br /><br />http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html<br /><br />We already agreed that no one does anything to believe. God does it. You're contradicting yourself and the conversation has become unprofitable and circular. I wish you the best and thank you for stopping by.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-81605801908837199142014-05-05T17:31:07.302-04:002014-05-05T17:31:07.302-04:00In regard to your reply concerning Romans chapt 11...In regard to your reply concerning Romans chapt 11:28. Believing and faith is a work according to first Thessalonians chapt. 1 verse 3, KJV. Concerning the disbelieving elect Jews who were enemies of the gospel the bible never teaches that they would later on believe, that's an assumption. If it's necessary for someone to believe in Jesus Christ in order to obtain eternal salvation then how do you account for everyone who will die who doesn't have the "ability" to believe, babies, mentally challenged people, people around the world who will never have access to the gospel. As soon as you attach one condition that somebody needs to "do" in order to obtain eternal life you just made eternal salvation by works and not of grace. The believing is the evidence of one's eternal salvation, not the condition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-31305188547729466442014-05-05T15:25:18.663-04:002014-05-05T15:25:18.663-04:00What led me to sites like this was a family member...What led me to sites like this was a family member prompting me to read books about these kids going to heaven and I recently watched the Colton film. One observation Colton describes people having wings in Heaven? What confounds me about it is how people believe these "stories" but they all tell different tales. The bible can't contradict itself. I have sleep paralysis and interestingly many people around the world have the "same" handful of demonic hallucinations. Why these "hallucinations" are mainly demonic, I have no idea. Satan is deceptive but as for these experiences no matter how real they seam it may simply be a part of the sleep disorder. So again, how do people buy into all these different stories and claims? They may seem real, but <br />that doesn't make it real. Perhaps a vision, but leaving to Heaven or Hell and returning I'm not sure about from a biblical standpoint. However the bible teaches there's no crossing over from Heaven to Hell, yet I came across stories claiming that to be the case and it's believed although it's not scripturally sound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-86243934334774209332014-05-05T06:04:45.534-04:002014-05-05T06:04:45.534-04:00You're right, this verse teaches that there ar...You're right, this verse teaches that there are unconverted disbelieving elect people: The Jews, whom God chose, and don't currently believe, but will.(Zechariah 12:10)<br /> <br />The context is God's work with His unbelieving elect, the Jews. As Gill's Exposition explains,<br /><br />"that they were suffered to reject the Gospel, and treat it with hatred and virulence, that by this means it might be taken away from them, and carried to the Gentiles; so that the present enmity of the Jews to the Gospel, turned to the advantage of the Gentiles, and should not hinder the future conversion of God's elect among them in the latter day:"<br /><br />Believing in Jesus is a commandment but not a work.You're right, Jesus sends the Spirit to draw men and by grace they are saved. We cannot be saved by our own choice to believe. God does it.<br /><br />What does your comment have to do with the topic of the essay, visits to hell? I don't see the connection<br />Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-70881753032323014972014-05-04T23:42:18.083-04:002014-05-04T23:42:18.083-04:00Believing in Jesus Christ is a commandment and a w...Believing in Jesus Christ is a commandment and a work. Salvation is by Grace, unmerited favor. Denying Jesus would actually be disobeying a commandment and eternal salvation is not determined by the law, but by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God and the faith that saves you in this verse is Jesus Christ's faith not yours. He was faithful unto death. Romans chapter 11:28 is a proof text that there are people who are enemies of the gospel but still have eternal salvation. Because "but as touching the election they are beloved for the father's sake." This verse teaches that there are unconverted disbelieving elect people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-52508722393192498222014-05-04T22:12:39.725-04:002014-05-04T22:12:39.725-04:00Hi Anonymous,
I agree that it's usually dange...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />I agree that it's usually dangerous to say a particular person is in hell or not. However in some circumstances it is obvious. If a person's atheist father who denied Christ all his life died, he would be in hell. As for popes, it is safe to say that they are, because in order to become a pope, they had to believe Catholic Dogma, teach Catholic Dogma, protect the integrity of Catholic Dogma, in other words, live it and breathe it. Pope means vicar (vicarious substitute, or 'instead of') and they absolutely believe they are operating as substitute for Christ on earth. They are operating for much of their life within earth's highest blasphemy , and so when a pope dies (and once a pope you die a pope, one recent exception notwithstanding) he is still operating in that blasphemy, so yes, it is safe to say that popes are in hellElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-63215173231518839192014-05-04T20:55:43.418-04:002014-05-04T20:55:43.418-04:00I agree that it's likely false and that Roman ...I agree that it's likely false and that Roman Catholicism is a false religion, I use to be Roman Catholic. But as for saying the popes or anyone in particular are in hell, I disagree, only God knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-65064799496913067592014-05-04T20:51:37.602-04:002014-05-04T20:51:37.602-04:00Perfectly state Elizabeth.Perfectly state Elizabeth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-68560066377841318692014-04-25T05:34:30.697-04:002014-04-25T05:34:30.697-04:00It is definitely false.
1. Trips to heaven and he...It is definitely false.<br /><br />1. Trips to heaven and hell are not real. FMI & scriptures, read here<br />http://www.gty.org/heaven<br /><br />and here<br /><br />http://www.gty.org/Blog/B121018<br /><br />2. Pope John Paul and all popes are in hell. They did not believe in grace through faith alone, and thus were disqualified for heaven. ROman Catholicism is a false religionoElizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-66647412901327822562014-04-24T21:26:14.100-04:002014-04-24T21:26:14.100-04:00Has anyone heard the story of the girl Angelica wh...Has anyone heard the story of the girl Angelica who went to Heaven and Hell and she said she saw Selena, Michael Jackson, and Pope John 2? Do you believe it's false?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-28118272526934721222013-11-13T16:40:56.335-05:002013-11-13T16:40:56.335-05:00Hi Anonymous,
If you mean by "these people w...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />If you mean by "these people who say" are the ones who have claimed to visit heaven or hell, then no, these people are false. Their visions are false and their message is false.<br /><br />Any Christian who is a real Christian, is saved by grace through no merit of their own, and is sealed with a deposit of the guarantee of our inheritance. (Ephesians 2:8,2 Corinthians 1:22) No Christian can be lost or will lose their salvation. (John 10:27-28). As John MacArthur said, "If I COULD lose my salvation, I WOULD".<br /><br />That said, a Christian will live an increasingly holy life as they continually submit to the Father, repent, grow in sanctification by the Spirit's power, pray, read the bible, etc. The Christian WILL bear fruit. Some seasons of a Christian's life seems to have slowed down on the fruit bearing, though none can truly say for sure until we get there, while other seasons seem gangbusters for bearing fruit. The idea is, though, that the overall trajectory is up.<br /><br />Satan works to cloud the mind, to instill doubt, and to make Christians wander from the narrow way so as to dampen their witness for Christ. He sends false dreams and visions to false converts who return from their dream state or vision state to speak lies which scare the sheep. They are wolves who are ravenous, ravenous means they are always hungry and always seeking prey. Don't listen to the heaven or hell tourists, no man has gone to the father and come back (John 3:3). Jesus has you in the palm of His hand and none can snatch us out of it. Read the bible for your information on heaven and hell, it is the only reliable source.<br /><br />Just keep reading the bible and listening to credible pastors who preach the word, verse by verse.Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-65337861190847173942013-11-13T15:43:20.355-05:002013-11-13T15:43:20.355-05:00Ok, this is a good article, but the question still...Ok, this is a good article, but the question still bothers me. These people say that if we don't live super holy lives, then we are all going to burn, even Christian believers who had the Spirit. That's the message. Is this true? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-60427688844070359902013-05-16T00:13:55.267-04:002013-05-16T00:13:55.267-04:00AMEN!!! May God be with YOU!!!AMEN!!! May God be with YOU!!!Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09037119265282242966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-25384292463186582802013-02-17T19:56:30.906-05:002013-02-17T19:56:30.906-05:00EUREKA! Thank you for saying that, because it is e...EUREKA! Thank you for saying that, because it is exactly the point I was hoping to make! It is how satan undermines the authority of the scripture by letting man know he can find revelation apart from the bible. You said it perfectly. Thanks so much EriK :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-44735485914744046682013-02-17T19:44:40.702-05:002013-02-17T19:44:40.702-05:00You make good points as always. What bums me about...You make good points as always. What bums me about Bill Weise is that I got ahold of his book "23 Questions About Hell," which is actually quite informative and relies nearly totally on Scripture and even cites guys like Henry Morris in making observations. The book didn't include any nonsense about his supposed trip, but only obliquely referenced it.<br /><br />A later podcast by Todd Friel then put to words exactly what I couldn't put my finger on: [paraphrased] "Is it in the Bible? Then why do we need this guy to have a vision to tell us about it?" In other words, if their visions are antiBiblical, then they are heretical. And if they are not heretical, then they are Biblical, but simultaneously irrelevant, because we can find all of that information in the Bible without having to depend on some hearsay 'prophecy/vision.'<br /><br />I always learn something new by reading articles from other Christians, though, and this is what I learned from your article today: the message Satan was proclaiming from the girl wasn't evil, but the intent was to make people believe that they could get godly revelation from sources apart from the Apostles/Scripture, which would encourage "private interpretation," and all manner of cults such as RCC, Mormonism etc etc ad infinitum. So applying that to Bill Weise and the guys, I see why it would still be wrong. The problem isn't the message Weise told, since he found Bible verses to justify it. But the problem is that, whether Weise even wants it to occur or not, people will be encouraged to turn to mere men for revelation, rather than the Bible, as a result of his books. So I agree that Bill is sincere; he doesn't seem to be motivated by evil desires; he might even have actually seen some sort of vision. But he's still allowing himself to become a stumbling block for others, unfortunately. But with prayer, I hope and trust that God can use the Biblical message in what he's said to do more good than the erosive effect of his implication that turning aside to people's claims of private visions is okay does. (sorry for the messy grammar).EriKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149923261251332685noreply@blogger.com