tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post9208336733328280189..comments2023-10-07T04:07:56.527-04:00Comments on The End Time: Walsch, Young, and Beth Moore: ungodly channelers all (Part 3)Elizabeth Pratahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-91287434079008624902018-05-09T18:06:32.638-04:002018-05-09T18:06:32.638-04:00Thank you, Elizabeth. That sounds interesting! :)
...Thank you, Elizabeth. That sounds interesting! :)<br /><br />Mischa https://www.blogger.com/profile/06136354874474109278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-58891954193596746162018-05-09T06:15:15.100-04:002018-05-09T06:15:15.100-04:00Hi Mischa,
I don't agree with some of what Dr...Hi Mischa,<br /><br />I don't agree with some of what Dr Sproul taught as well, mainly his eschatology. I did enjoy his course on beauty, but if you'd like to consider another resource, I also enjoyed this book,<br /><br />Art for God's Sake: A Call to Recover the Arts by Philip Graham Ryken<br /><br />It's a slim volume and not expensive. I've not found many resources on the Christian's creative process, and that's a shame. If you ever find a suitable one, please pass it along :)Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-75592027698286521852018-05-08T21:47:55.294-04:002018-05-08T21:47:55.294-04:00Thank you for your reply, Elizabeth. I've been...Thank you for your reply, Elizabeth. I've been poring over some of your articles today off and on. This series, in particular. Those were my thoughts as well, but it's good to get affirmation from a fellow sister in Christ. I don't get to discuss these issues much with other creative people who have a conservative view of scripture. <br /><br />Some of the Christian creative books on the market tend to be written either by liberals who seem to take pleasure in creatively using profanity throughout their books, justify it, and seek to completely re-define the arts or those who are so conservative that there is no room for art that isn't strictly classical in nature. <br /><br />As for RC Sproul, he will be greatly missed by many. I did not agree with some of his teachings, but I had a lot of respect for him and loved his personality. I also enjoyed his thoughts on the Truth project that our family watched a few years ago. <br /><br />He had a lot a good insights. <br /><br />Will be back to read more of your thoughts here, Elizabeth. Thanks so much for taking the time to share them!<br /><br />Mischa https://www.blogger.com/profile/06136354874474109278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-90566915794302179842018-05-08T20:22:38.121-04:002018-05-08T20:22:38.121-04:00Hi Mischa,
I really like your inquiries into the ...Hi Mischa,<br /><br />I really like your inquiries into the creative process, and how to make sure we're honoring God with the talents he's given us.<br /><br />I took a course from RC Sproul at Ligonier.org ($9, if I remember, for a multi-week online course) called Recovering the Beauty of the Arts. In the course, he explored the church's historical and current reaction to creative things, from music to architecture to visual art. I'm going to ponder your questions more and write a blog essay about it at some point soon.<br /><br />Meanwhile, your three questions, my first pass of taking a stab at answering them-<br /><br /><i>1. Pray and ask for Him to lead us, and then pick up our paintbrush or pen and have at it, hoping He will guide us? If I do it this way, then it sounds like I could fall prey to automatic writing (or painting) for that matter. Right?</i><br /><br />I think the difference here is where your mind is. Praying before starting an endeavor is always good. We know the Spirit will always lead us. Setting our minds on His glory as we go is good. Automatic writing or channeling is when we deliberately let go our mind and ask for other entities to enter. The seekers deliberately open their mind and desire to be controlled by another 'something'. In the former, our minds are being transformed into His image. In the latter, satan is controlling our minds for his purposes. I don't think we can accidentally let the latter happen.<br /><br /><i>Can a demon really control us if we are God's child and are filled with His Spirit?</i><br /><br />From my understanding, no. Hew might be able to influence us, but not control us. If we were controlled to the degree that the channelers in this essay describe, and we were producing written material, we'd be producing scripture (and the actual scripture writers never even produced material that way, they were fully in control of their faculties.)<br /><br /><i>And if this method makes us vulnerable to the Enemy using our creative tools for wicked means, then how should we biblically approach the creative process?</i><br /><br />That is the question the class I mentioned sought to address, and one that I'd like to explore more. Good one!Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-88445864495462415372018-05-07T22:36:16.101-04:002018-05-07T22:36:16.101-04:00Thank you for your quick reply, Elizabeth. I do li...Thank you for your quick reply, Elizabeth. I do like that quote from Reagan! You have given me much to ponder on this site. <br /><br />As a writer and artist, I have often prayed for God to lead me in my projects and that He would help me to sift the wheat from the chaff so that I know that what I create/write would glorify Him. <br /><br />Since there is nothing in scripture outside of God leading artists to create the temple, it can really stymie those of us who are creative-to the point of paralysis!<br /><br />Often though, it is His Word that inspires me to want to create something. It is filled with word pictures and metaphors. The danger can come if we over-spiritualize the work, and it turns into a gimmick or cliche.<br /><br />For example, today I was reading in Proverbs, "say to wisdom you are my sister..."<br />and for a brief moment I envisioned a T-shirt that said, "Embrace Sister Wisdom!" Umm... and suddenly we become one with new age hippies, right? Which is why it's hard to trust the weird, creative way my brain works at times. <br /><br />So how should we approach the creative process, apart from rejecting the obvious silly ideas that I gave an example for above? <br /><br />Pray and ask for Him to lead us, and then pick up our paintbrush or pen and have at it, hoping He will guide us? If I do it this way, then it sounds like I could fall prey to automatic writing (or painting) for that matter. Right?<br /><br />Can a demon really control us if we are God's child and are filled with His Spirit?<br /><br />And if this method makes us vulnerable to the Enemy using our creative tools for wicked means, then how should we biblically approach the creative process?<br /><br />Mischa https://www.blogger.com/profile/06136354874474109278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-15383312223676238182018-05-07T21:37:34.851-04:002018-05-07T21:37:34.851-04:00Hi Mischa,
You make a well-founded point, and I a...Hi Mischa,<br /><br />You make a well-founded point, and I agree.<br /><br />I don't think we should <i>trust</i> our hearts, but I do agree the Spirit leads or prompts. As long as leading or prompting drives us back to the Word, it's all good. As Ronald Reagan said, "Trust, but verify".Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-26326922009792368722018-05-07T21:27:03.122-04:002018-05-07T21:27:03.122-04:00Hello there. I am new to your blog. I have found t...Hello there. I am new to your blog. I have found this series both interesting and disturbing. (Disturbing in the sense that so many writers have used this abominable practice, that is.)<br /><br />I do want to address something though. You responded to a commenter that we shouldn't ever trust our hearts because they are deceitfully wicked, when he said that he could tell right away that something was off about the Shack. <br />However, if we are redeemed by the blood of Christ and made righteous, then the Holy Spirit of God now indwells us, right?<br /><br />Therefore, why is it so heretical to believe that the Holy Spirit can prompt or lead us away from those things which contradict His Word.<br /><br />Though I do not like to put much stock in my feelings that can change like the wind, there have been times when my whole being has recoiled at something, or someone, only to find out why later on. <br /><br />For example, some of the writers' works you have mentioned above, i was told I should read to my children, (or they should read them when they got older) and yet every time I would pick up one of their books, my spirit would recoil. It was the same thing when I began reading the Chronicles of Narnia books. I remember getting to one part of the book (and I didn't understand it until later) and the Holy Spirit within me began to recoil.This was so different from just my feelings. I could not bring myself to read even another paragraph. It was only after I did some research that I discovered the abominable meaning behind what I was reading. After that I threw every last book away. <br /><br />This could turn into a book quite fast if I continue to go on with specific examples. <br /><br />Though I am not a charismatic, I don't look or desire special revelation, and I always look to scripture as the authority to make certain I haven't been led into falsehood, there have been many times that His Spirit within me has led me away from falsehood. <br /><br />Is that not something He does within us?<br /><br />Have you ever met someone, and everything within you knows within moments that you need to get away from him before he even does anything? (Or away from your children?) There are times that this happens, and I have learned not to second-guess that intuition. The times I have chastised myself for "trusting in my own feelings" were times I should have seen them as promptings from the Holy Spirit, because I end up regretting not listening.<br /><br />I hope I'm making sense here. <br /> I still believe this is different from divine (special revelation) that adds to scripture or contradicts it. Also, I would never create a ministry or write doctrinal books based upon "divine intuition" because I believe that there are times when we get it wrong. That is why despite these occasional strong promptings, my faith rests squarely on Christ's atoning work on the cross and His infallible Word. <br /><br /><br /><br />Mischa https://www.blogger.com/profile/06136354874474109278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-31013060187872798062017-01-05T11:32:50.748-05:002017-01-05T11:32:50.748-05:00Hello Ian,
I do not know how deeply Walsch went i...Hello Ian,<br /><br />I do not know how deeply Walsch went into the occult. His channeling was chronicled by the NYTimes in an article from which I quoted and linked to in part 2 of this series. Here is how Walsch described his channeling<br /><br />Walsch denies his books have been channeled into him, but this is how he explained to the NY Times how his books came about:<br /><br />"In the spring of 1992...an extraordinary phenomenon occurred in my life. God began talking with you. Through me. Let me explain. I was very unhappy during that period, personally, professionally, and emotionally, and my life was feeling like a failure on all levels. As I’d been in the habit for years of writing my thoughts down in letters...I picked up my trusty yellow legal pad and began pouring out my feelings. This time...I decided to write a letter to God. It was a spiteful, passionate letter, full of confusions, contortions, and condemnation. And a pile of angry questions....To my surprise, as I scribbled out the last of my bitter, unanswerable questions and prepared to toss my pen aside, my hand remained poised over the paper, as if held there by some invisible force. Abruptly, the pen began moving on its own. I had no idea what I was about to write....Out came....Do you really want an answer to all these questions, or are you just venting? ... Before I knew it, I had begun a conversation. ... and I was not writing so much as taking dictation. ... Often the answers came faster than I could write, and I found myself scribbling to keep up. When I became confused, or lost the feeling that the words were coming from somewhere else, I put the pen down and walked away from the dialogue until I again felt inspired--sorry, that's the only word which truly fits--to return to the yellow legal pad and start transcribing again."Elizabeth Pratahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341086233512507156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-10050912866318808072017-01-05T11:24:30.937-05:002017-01-05T11:24:30.937-05:00Did young have connections with the occult? Is the...Did young have connections with the occult? Is there any more evidence to the channelling? This is because I am opposed to the shack and has christians from my former church inspired by the false doctrines. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00498525546204947918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-48230845143942788692016-12-30T23:16:15.193-05:002016-12-30T23:16:15.193-05:00If Walsh was Catholic, then he merely moved from a...If Walsh was Catholic, then he merely moved from apostasy to apostasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736720231951988221.post-78653562628119298422011-09-19T14:14:46.696-04:002011-09-19T14:14:46.696-04:00I have never heard of conversations with God, so I...I have never heard of conversations with God, so I looked up some quotes from the book. They are actually so unbiblical.<br /><br />Apparently God told him that we should place more value on our experience with God than the word of God:<br />"In fact, you place so little value on experience that when what your experience of God differs from what you’ve heard of God, you automatically discard the experience and own the words, when it should be just the other way around"<br /><br />He says the only way to grow in God is to question what you believe is true:<br />"The only way to move forward on this is to ask yourself, “What would happen if everything I thought was ‘wrong’ was actually ‘right’?"<br /><br />And then he gets into blatant satanism:<br />" thing is only right or wrong because you say it is. A thing is not right or wrong intrinsically."<br /><br />" do not love “good” more than I love “bad.” Hitler went to heaven. When you understand this, you will understand God."<br /><br />and <br /><br />"My child, everything in life is holy."<br /><br />It fits that it came to him as a spiritual conversation with a supernatural being. I wonder if he thinks God looks like a serpent in a tree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com