Saturday, January 29, 2011

About them FEMA camps

Our nation, and the world is no longer what it was. Riots in the Middle East lead directly to another, and over the past week the conflagration has ignited a regional revolution over there. In America, our rights and freedoms are being chipped away at in increasing pace. What was once a scalpel excision of rights from the Constitution is now a sledgehammer pounding. What with TSA pat downs and Government's dictatorial and arbitrary decisions to restrict our movements in and around the nation and world, it puts the fear of government into most people. Add to that, "watch lists," surveillance nation, prevention of entry at public places, denial of legal protest activity and banning of videotaping of law enforcement at work, we see clearly that Big Brother is here to stay.

The totalitarianism drift of this nation and all the other nations will result in earth's final dictatorship- the Antichrist's regime. It doesn't take a genius to see the totalitarian drift our own US government is taking, and it doesn't take a theological scholar to see that the earth's final human government will be a complete dictatorship. (Rev 13:3). In between the now and the then, people are becoming increasingly worried about a rumor of  "FEMA camps". These camps are allegedly locations around the nation that are reportedly being built, or have been built, to contain massive segments of the population in repressive times to come. The US government is reportedly fusing together the alphabet organizations (CIA-FBI-HSA-FEMA-NSA etc) to become one gargantuan monolithic governmental agency designed to hold the US populations in containment camps, perhaps to torture or even kill us. That is the rumor.

I do know about the FEMA camp rumors. Those rumors have been circulating for a very long time. I know that this week the heated rhetoric has ramped up even more and that people are getting fairly worried about it. Former Navy SEAL and MN Governor Jesse Ventura had a recent show on TruTV about it but a careful watching didn't really illuminate any further facts about the camps than any other show.The burial vaults that were allegedly piled up for use by the government featured on the show are actually burial vaults ... and they are stored at that location because they are, um, a burial vault manufacturing and storage facility.

Here is what the bible says: Luke 21:12- "But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake." Hal Lindsey interprets that verse as happening beginning now and into and throughout the Tribulation. Watch his Hal Lindsey Report about it for 1-21-11 here to decide of you interpret it that was too. I don't. The parallel verse in Matthew 24:4-9 is more chronological "And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake."

Prior to Christians being persecuted all the previous signs will have occurred, and the famines and pestilences Jesus is talking about are depicted in Revelation 6, and there is no doubt that the tribulation has begun.

Additionally, the Olivet Discourse is given completely to the Jews for their understanding, because the church age will have ended and Gentile believers will have vanished. Notice the verse in Luke says that they will be delivered up to synagogues. Not churches. The rounding up as described in the Olivet Discourse and in Revelation 13 is separate and distinct from the normal persecution that Christians have always endured on this earth since Stephen's martyrdom in 34-35 AD. Revelation 13 says "The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed." By then, yes, some kind of containment facility will likely have been developed, because I cannot envision how all the peoples all around the world will be rounded up and contained until their murder unless there are some facilities to do so. Just as likely, existing jails will be used.

I won't write about the FEMA camps for a few reasons. I am not convinced we will be here for the coming Christian roundup and encampment, times that include persecution in prisons and death through martyrdom. (Although a case could be made that NOW is a tough time, it is a picnic compared to what's coming.) Secondly, I try really hard in the delivering of this blog's information not to add to the general confusion. I want to bring light to the situation, comfort in the face of what is coming. Also, I try to keep the focus on Jesus. FEMA camps are a rumor that is hard to pin down, doesn't add to anyone's general comfort, and is a sign that that doesn't stem from biblical knowledge and is better interpreted as being against the timing of the end time as opposed to occurring in the Tribulation.

Last, even IF we are sent to camps prior to the Tribulation (which I DO NOT believe) Jesus is still in our hearts and that would be a great place to be a light for Him. Many people became saved in the concentration camps in WWII. Luke 21:12b-15 goes on to say of the people put into prisons for His name's sake: "You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist."

I believe our Federal government has become our enemy. I believe that wholeheartedly. However I do not believe Christians will be rounded up and placed in government-run FEMA camps anytime soon. That is giving our government too much credit. Not for their will and intent, but for their ability to execute.

Jesus said not to worry. I am not worried about the FEMA camps. The FEMA camp conspiracy contributes to a climate of fear in the world. The scriptures contribute to a climate of peace in the heart. I choose peace.

28 comments:

  1. I've been enjoying your posts and knowledge about the Bible the last couple of weeks. I too agree that we won't be rounded up anytime soon. For one, I think the nation still has too many people who would put up a fight (as in too many Christians, it would just be too many people to go unnoticed) if we were selected due to religious reasons. I think our constitution would have to be null and void before that happened. With the way our government is being run, I do see that happening one day but not in my lifetime or toward the end of it. People need to remember not to panic about this and that God has you in His hands, whatever happens. Thanks for the great posts!

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    1. Thanks for saying God has us in his hands and not to panic because I'm getting a little scared.

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    2. I really loved this comment. It is encouraging to read this and to read this post. So thank you both.

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    3. I agree. These camps, if they exist, are for the ones who become believers AFTER the rapture. I believe God would have us be in peace.

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    4. Hi Anonymous,

      God WOULD have us be in peace. That is why he sent Jesus, to reconcile Himself to man. However, man, from birth, is in open rebellion against God. We are not in peace. The only way to peace is be belief in Jesus Christ and His Gospel.

      Col 1:20, 2 Cor 5:18

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    5. I have to ask this question. I know of Jesus returning a second time but not a third. With just that in mind, to keep this short, how can you say that we are not going through the great tribulation. No we are not appointed to wrath, the wrath of God, but during the antichrist reign, it is not the wrath of God being poured out as stated in Revelation. Not trying to change anyones mind, but something to think about.

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    6. Hi Anonymous,

      Thanks for your question. When Jesus comes in the rapture He does not come to earth. he calls us from the air and we go up to meet Him. He came in His incarnation in 0AD and He will come again to earth as Zechariah 14:4 describes. So it's actually twice.

      I know that what we are going thru may feel like the Tribulation but Jesus said it will be be the worst time on earth there ever was or will ever be (Matthew 24:21). SO as bad as this feels no, it's not the Tribulation.

      Rev 6 begins the judgments and as the Seal Judgments are opened we see that immediately the first thing is that peace is taken from the earth. Then a quarter of the people on earth die in plagues and wears. That is not happening now. There is worldwide starvation and it costs a day's pay to buy a loaf of bread. That is not happening now.

      It will literally be hell on earth. Though some places on earth now are experiencing economic depression, scarcity and want, that is nothing compared to the suffering the entire world will endure when the Tribulation starts

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    7. But as you stated in Matthew 24: 22-30 if it is in chronilogical order then we are going through. Not trying to stir someones beliefs up. But it also says the road is narrow and few will Find it. I have heard many preacher teaching pre-trib rapture, however this is something we were taught from childhood. When you look at what is going on in usa, it is evident the antichrist system is just about complete in the usa. I dont live there no more and wont as I see what is going on. And obamacare was to introduce a chip for tracking. Well I dont know whether or not it is the mark or not but I will assume die before taking a chip. So if obamacare is setting up the mark, it is unconceivable that we are not going through it. Just a thought. I think we are in for some very dark times real soon, as if it isnt dark enough now.

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    8. It is in chronological order and the Seal Judgments open the Tribulation. A quarter of the world is not dead. The world is not at war. There is not mass starvation and extremely high costs for food. We are not in the Tribulation

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    9. I am a good gospel singer, and I get to sing at 4 nursing homes and at 3 different churches here locally just because He found opportunities like that for me. Most of a all I love Jesus and enjoy so much being in His presence. I have been aware of the FEMA camps or at least read or saw video tape of them for 7 years. I do not know why, but I have been concerned about being tortured, or my family being thrown into those things for our love of God. But after reading toward the end of this essay where the writer wrote he did not doubt the ability or intent of our government; and I was taking it all in when it was also written that he doubted their ability to execute this action I thought I would laugh right on through eternity. As real as all that other is likely to be, so is the ability of our present government to get it all messed up on execution, thank you for writing this. And if not now I hope to thank you for easing my worry so much.

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  2. The Olivet Discourse is only for the Jews? Who is Jesus speaking to privately? When He says "You will be handed over..." Who is the "You" here?
    "Synagogue" and "Church" both mean "assembly"
    You really have to twist scripture with allegoric interpretation to come to such a conclusion.
    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 cannot be interpretated any other way but post trib unless you twist the scriptures to mean what you "wish" them to mean.

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  3. I believe we can have a mature discussion about bible interpretation without calling anyone a liar, or accusing of "twisting" scriptures. A clear-eyed reading of the bible indicates plainly that the tribulation is a Jewish event. Jews are not exclusively affected, of course, the entire world is, but the tribulation is Jesus dealing with the last 7 years of the prophesied decree in Daniel 9:25. Here is another explanation for you: http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/more-on-the-olivet-discourse/
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    Keep in mind the whole passage is a response to questions from Jewish disciples to their Jewish teacher about the future of Israel. From their perspective at the time, Israel had been given a 490 year period of time to accomplish 6 objectives that would bring about the End of the Age (Daniel 9:24-27). 483 of these years had past, and because of statements Jesus had made about the temple being destroyed, they wanted clarification on the remaining 7 years. They didn’t know anything about a 2,000 year pause while the Lord built a Gentile Church and the Lord didn’t enlighten them. In fact there isn’t even a hint of the Church in the entire passage. For my explanation on why this this, click here

    Matt. 24:4-14 contains several overview statements relative to their question about signs that point to His coming and the End of the Age. None of them are time specific but are common to the entire 2000 years. There will be false messiahs, wars and rumors of war, natural disasters. The Jews will be persecuted and put to death, many would turn away from the faith, and false prophets would deceive them. Because of this the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. Then the Gospel will be preached to the whole world and the end will come.

    This entire summary was intended for the Lord’s Jewish audience, not the Church. We know this because we’re not told that if we stand firm till the end we’ll be saved. We’re told that our salvation was guaranteed from the first moment we believed (Ephes. 1:13-14), and that it’s God Himself who makes us stand firm in Christ (2 Cor. 1:21-22)

    Neither is the Church required to preach the Gospel to the whole world before the end can come. We’ve spent 2,000 years doing that and are no where near finished. But Rev. 14:6 says that at the beginning of the Great Tribulation God will send an angel to preach the eternal gospel to every nation, tribe, language and people. He will fulfill the Lord’s promise, not the Church.

    Beginning in verse 15, the remainder of the chapter contains more detailed and specific prophecies, all of which were still intended for Israel. “Let those in Judea (Israel) flee to the mountains” (Matt. 24:16) and “Pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath” (Matt. 24:20) are clear examples. As you pointed out, this portion begins with the Great Tribulation and ends just after the 2nd Coming.

    The bottom line is nothing in the Olivet Discourse was intended for the Church. It’s all about Israel.
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    Hope this helps you understand more, and if you have further questions I'll be glad to point you in the right direction.

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    1. You're click here thing is not highlighted so I cannot click.

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    2. Her is the link behind the click here thing.
      http://gracethrufaith.com/selah/between-first-fruits-and-pentecost/

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  4. Anonymous, 2 Thess 2:1-3 interpretation has nothing to do with the rapture. Paul is speaking of the 2nd coming. As Matthew Henry says, "The apostle is very careful to hinder the spreading of an error into which some among them had fallen concerning the coming of Christ, as being very near (v. 1-3). Then he proceeds to confute the error he cautioned them against, by telling them of two great events that were antecedent to the coming of Christ-a general apostasy, and the revelation of antichrist, concerning whom the apostle tells them many remarkable things, about his name, his character, his rise, his fall, his reign, and the sin and ruin of his subjects (v. 4-12). He then comforts them against the terror of this apostasy, and exhorts them to steadfastness (v. 13-15). And concludes with a prayer for them (v. 16, 17)." That's all. Don't know how you interpret it any other way. It help to look at the big picture of the dispensations, the 490 year decree, the 1000 year pause for the church age and the 7 year resumption to finish the decree. Look at God's work globally and then the individual scriptures will have more meaningful context for you...

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  5. Just came across this, a little late; I agree: to Elizabeth Prata (If you still post here); Christians do have to pick up their cross and follow Jesus, spiritually we became Jews, grafted in the the tribe of Judah. Let me ask you this, do these verses all discuss the same event? 1 Corinthaisn 15:51-52, Revelations 8:2; 1 Thesolonians 4:15-17; Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessolonians 2:1-4; 1 Timothy 4:1-8; Daniel 9:27; Daniel 7:25-27.

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    1. Hello Kensei,

      Thanks for your comment. We do pick up our cross an follow Him, don't we?

      I don't agree we are made Jews after salvation. The Jews are one branch, the Christians are another branch. What we are grafted into is the tree of life, which is Jesus. (Romans 11:13-24).

      Of those verses, do you think they all point to the same event? What are your thoughts? It looks like you have something specific on your mind...

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  6. (Galatians 3:6-9)
    Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ All the nations will be blessed in you.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

    I didn't say we were Jews, just like you're not my "flesh and blood" sister, however you are my sister in Christ if you follow Christ as I do. I was merely saying due to us becoming "Children of God" (John 1:12), It implies a connection to a "Spiritual" Jewish heritage since Abraham is our father through the promise of faith. I said tribe of Judah because our King is the tribe of Judah.

    I also fully believe we are to witness to others, we're called too even. You don't have to take the great commission into account (which was spoke to the Jews) to know that we're to witness.

    (1 Peter 3:15)
    but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

    There are things that were being spoken to the Jews that are for us as well. For instance, this isn't specifically for the Jews:

    (Mark 16:17-18)
    These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

    If you read that in context, it shows that he was talking to the 11 Apostles, and He is inclusive of all believers.

    (John 14:12)
    Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

    Again, a qualifier for all believers.


    Paul tells Timothy to preach the word as well:

    (2 Timothy 4:2)
    preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

    Not only that, Peter was charged to feed Jesus' sheep, he laid down the fundamentals of the church.

    (Matthew 18:18)
    Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.


    I fully believe we're to go into the world and witness the Gospel. The Apostles were the start of the church, if we're the church than we're connected to them and have the same mission.

    Please refer to Apollos in Acts 19 as well.

    This is what I meant by picking up Jesus' cross and following Him; it means you will do what you've seen Jesus do as well as suffer as Jesus suffered (speaking figuratively about seeing through the Bible).

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  7. (Continued...)

    As far as the verses I mentioned above; I had pieced this together:
    (Revelations 8:2)
    There are seven angels with seven trumpets.

    (1 Corinthians 15:51-52)
    Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)
    For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

    (Matthew 24:29-31)
    But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)
    Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

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  8. (Continued...)

    (Revelation 10:7)
    but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.

    I assume these are the same events; we are fully aware from Revelation 6, 8, 9 and 10 that there will be 7 seals, and 7 trumpets, as you know there will be seven bowls of wrath too, not covered in these chapters. The first trumpet will not sound until the 7th seal is broken; then initialization of the trumpets begins. Many take the interlude (Revelation 7) that John saw and try to fit it into an attribute of the 6th seal (as if Revelation was in full chronological order). The only problem with that is that there still hasn’t been a trumpet sound until the 7th seal is broken.
    John is about to see what happens at the very end here but before that happens, the angel from the east says, Wait! We need to seal God's servants first. The four angels would be out of order here, because they are not loosed until the sixth trumpet sounds and if we look at this chronologically we just finished the sixth seal in Revelation 6 and it is not time for the sixth trumpet. Either way, I’ve noticed that throws a lot of people for a loop.

    So yes mam, I believe these all to be regarding the same event. I believe we are to witness and I believe all believers will have to endure the “hour of testing,” the tribulation. It’s my opinion (based on what I’ve read in the Bible, I believe the tribulation is what is going to produce the church without spot or wrinkle, going through the fire). I understand James 1:12 isn’t necessarily directed to this one specific event, but I feel it applies:
    (James 1:12)
    Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
    (Daniel 12:10)
    Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.

    Either way, I better get to bed. Hope you have a wonderful day/night. God bless you!

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  9. Oh, by the way:

    (Ephesians 4:11-13)
    And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

    Forgot to include that, sorry it's long.

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    1. OK, Now I understand yoru thinkingk. Tahnks Kensei. A couple of remarks:

      The church will be presented without spot or wrinkle, that is what the present Church Age is for. We will be raptured prior to the Tribulation. There is a whole set of reasons for that which you can search the blog for 'pre-trib rapture' or just look to the side for the links.

      The Trump of God mentioned in 1Thessalonians is not the last trump mentioned in Revelation11. In one, the Lord Himself blows it, it is the trump of God (Read Exodus 19:16-19). The other is blown by an angel. They do not depict the same event.

      The church is *not* to go through the "hour of testing that is to come upon the whole world." Jesus tells His church that in Rev 3:10.

      The Tribulation saints (those left behind after the rapture who convert to Christianity) are the ones who will go thru the Tribulation. The church will be in heaven going through the Bema awards ceremony. :)

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  10. Hello, just read what you said. I'll dig more when I have time next week. On revelation 3:10 he tells the church of Philadelphia they'll have rest from that hour of testing, that's one lamp stand. But we know to sleep or be at rest or the "first death" can all = being in the tomb. John 5:26-28, and the verses above. If I die right now I don't have to endure the hour of testing.

    I'll read what you said soon, at men's retreat on iPhone right now, lol

    God bless you and talk to you soon.

    Thanks,
    Donals

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  11. I just found out about the FEMA camps thing and have felt terrified for the past three days. Thank you for this and thank you to some of the others that commented on this as well. Maybe now I'll sleep tonight.

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    1. It doesn't hurt to stock up on basic suppplies a little at a time.
      Don't do it TOO fast or it will look suspicious to Big Brother watching you when they see large orders that don't match what you normally spend on.

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  12. I normally do not read stuff like this, but, I like to read and learn as much as possible. Thank you for the information :)

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