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All gay all the time: God gave us over

With the approval of the NY State Legislature and governor in legalizing homosexual marriage last week, the floodgates are already opening. The voices decrying the moral equality of anything gay are increasingly voices in the wilderness. Yet the numbers are truly, TRULY embarrassing. Let me show you:

In the Christian Posts' "All Gay All the Time" essay, they stated "A Martian who visited modern America today might well think that half the population was homosexual-and the other half wished it were" and then backed it up with numbers. They wrote the statistic that only about 2% of the US population identifies itself as homosexual. And that 2% figure is already rounded up from 1.8%.

The population of the US is 311 million. 2% of 311 million is 6.2 million people. Taking aside objections that the homosexual population isn't distributed evenly, for the sake of argument, 6.2 million divided by 50 states is 124,670 gays per state. Enacting a state-wide agenda because of the wants of 124,000 is disproportionate in the extreme! 

Let's look at Christians in America, every one of which should recognize that NOT all voluntary sexual relations are equal... and who should claim homosexuality as a sin ... and homosexual marriage as against God's model for marriage as shown to us in Genesis 2. Seventy-five% of Americans say they are Christian, which I don't believe. We know that there is a huge apostate church that accepts homosexuality. We further know from the proportions of the saved vs unsaved in the bible that many are not truly saved (parable of the Sower in Mt 13). Further, there will be many who will claim to be one of the Lord's children but aren't. (Matthew 7:22). So let's knock that 75% Christian figure down to 35%.

Thirty-five percent of Christians in the general population of America is one hundred eight million. 108 million who stand for opposite gender relations as opposed to 6 million who don't. 2% versus 35%. If I was to use the generally accepted standard of 75% of the population being Christian the numbers get so embarrassing I don't even dare to go further.

This tells us several things. First, Christians need to do a better job of maintaining biblical standards in their minds and hearts and mouths pertaining to the gay agenda. I'm not insisting we go forth in social Gospel activities. It is a spiritual problem, not a social one. Here is what CARM says:
"As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin.  Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else with whom you come in contact. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially-acceptable opinion that is void of godliness." 
The same essay says: "Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18-32). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation."

In listening to John MacArthur the other day, in his sermon about Jeremiah  "Prophetic message for an ungodly nation" (GREAT SERMON!) he mentioned a lot of people wonder if America is under judgment. There is the famous quote from Billy Graham, 'If God doesn't judge America he needs to give an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah.' We expect judgment. Yet, we don't see brimstone falling, nor earthquakes ravaging, nor thunder booming. Where is the judgment? MacArthur said that the Romans verse (quoted & linked above) is a judgment. God gives them over to their perverse lusts. So, how can a disproportionate population of 1.8% push an ungodly agenda onto a population of 311 million, 75% of whom claim to be Christian?? God's judgment. He gave us over.

--A good opinion piece by Pat Buchanan The death of moral community
--Christian Post: All Gay All The Time


  1. That's a good point, and a sad truth.

  2. I read the One Year Bible and the last few days we have been reading about Josiah. He had a personal revival, and he stood for the righteousness of Israel by destroying the abominable idols and pagan altars that the previous kings had established. He tore down the government established ungodliness, and recommitted the nation to the Word of God and to the old ordinances such as the Passover.

    And yet during Josiah's reign, the prophet Jeremiah was crying out that so many of the people had not had their own personal revival. They would come to the temple, but their hearts were still far from God.

    I am so desperate for a Josiah-like leader, but even then, the hearts of the individuals in our country are so far from God and rebellious that no matter what happens they will still follow their own sinful hearts. The revival was only temporary for that nation, and God eventually destroyed it like He said He would.

    It trips me out to think that God gave them MORE time before bringing judgment, for the sake of a few people who sought Him with all their hearts, minds and souls. In His grace, He gave Israel some extra time to really choose who they will serve.

    I think the reason the Lord has waited so long to judge America is for the sake of His remnant. That 35% of the population that pray for revival, stand for righteousness, and pray for the lost. But we see that the flood is coming, and it is barely being held back now. Time is running out. Hopefully, like He did with Josiah in taking him home to heaven before bringing judgment, he will take us home before releasing this country from His hands of protection.

    And so we continue to pray for the lost, while we still can.

    Thanks for the post.


  3. True. Homosexuality isn't a sign that we're about to be punished, it's a symptom of judgment that is already happening. On the other hand, if we don't deal with the disease, the symptoms will get worse, and more judgment lies in store.

    I believe the best we can do is to forestall future calamity. But it's coming. Whether it's the tribulation, or just the death of America, decades or centuries (unlikely, I think...) ahead of the tribulation, we Christians are going to be persecuted VERY soon, on a scale that far surpasses the small incidents we can point to today...


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