Monday, November 14, 2011

Are vampire babies even possible?

That is the trending question today on Yahoo!. Apparently the success of the Twilight series on books and film is continuing unabated. Twilight is the saga of a 'nice' vampire- Edward- and the human woman he loves - Bella. They married and now she is pregnant with an undead vampire-human hybrid. A werewolf is the point of view from which the series is told.

This saga is very popular in many levels. Young women, and not a few men, think that it is romantic. It is romantic, they swoon, that Edward doesn't bite Bella to make her be undead, too. He has been instilled with a sense of morality by his father, a real human, and thus Edward refuses to consider humans as food. (This is what passes for morality these days?). So readers love Edward's restraint. They love the series' romanticism because of Edward's gallantry, even though he needs to subsist on blood and that means killing things and drinking blood.

The latest iteration of the series focuses on Bella and her baby. The trending question is an interesting one. We passed go when we accepted that vampires could be nice. We apparently cruised by the point of accepting or not accepting that there could be the undead walking around. We long hurtled beyond the horizon of incredulity over marriage and sexual relationships between human and otherworldly bloodthirsty creatures who usually only want to destroy humans. Now we're onto inter-species baby-making. The opening of the latest movie is said to bring in 140 million dollars. No small change, and Breaking Dawn is the fourth installment! This series is a moneymaker, its popularity and ability to rake in the money never seem to wane.

This acceptance, curiosity,and  romanticism of otherworldly creatures has a biblical precedent. As Solomon said in Ecclesiastes, there is nothing new under the sun. (Ecc 1:9). In Genesis 6 we read the following:

"So when men began to be multiplied upon the earth, and there were daughters born unto them, Then the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all that they liked. (Gen 6:1-2). There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Gen 6:4)."

The sons of God are the angels. The angels being mentioned in the Genesis verse are the fallen angels, the ones who are rebuked for having left their first estate and are now incarcerated in gloomy dungeons. (June 1:6; 2 Peter 2:4). Angels are referred to as the sons of God in Job 1:6, and in Job 38:7, it is a common term for them. Some have been shown in the bible to manifest as humans, even though they are spirit men. (Hebrews 13:2).  We know that Jesus said that the angels do not marry, (Mark 12:25) but not that they cannot marry, and by extension, have intercourse with human women. In any case, the bible tells us that they did. They saw the women, took all they wanted, and mated. Their offspring were giants, and they were the mighty men of old. (This is the origin of the Greek myths of the ancient heroes of Hercules etc, who were offspring of 'gods' who came down and mated with women. I wrote about that here). However, these tribes of giant hybrid offspring were upon the earth in those days before the flood, and it was them along with wicked man who pulled the world to the brink of an evil so great that there was only one righteous man left: Noah.

Genesis 6:5 states: "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." And in Genesis 6:3 the LORD said, "Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” God sent the Flood.

There is precedent for the Lord taking His Spirit from the earth prior to major judgment, as Gen 6:3 says and Paul revealed will also happen prior to the future Tribulation judgments. (2 Thessalonians 2:6). The Lord also said that the last days will be like the Days of Noah, indicating that evil will be almost at a 100% saturation level with evil in men's hearts, the Spirit being removed from His restraining ministry, and also, possibly, the Nephilim coming back.

Are vampire babies even possible, the article's author wondered. Yes, the bible shows us that the old vampires, the fallen angels who beguiled women and hypnotized them into frenzies of lust (as folklore says vampires are wont to do) are likely coming back. The Hollywood and Publishing House preparation and desensitization of the populace to these concepts are going gangbusters. So can you even make a vampire baby? If Genesis 6:4 is to be believed, and it IS, then the answer is yes. My opinion is that there will be plenty of vampiric type shenanigans in the Tribulation. For Twilight fans, I have one message: be careful what you romanticize!
"Sons of God and the daughters of men", Artist: CAROLSFELD, Julius Schnorr von

28 comments:

  1. Hi Elizabeth,
    You might have already read this but if not here you go...

    http://susanflutterbys.blogspot.com/2011/09/nephilim-at-end-of-age.html

    This is Susan's post and the clips are eye opening and stirs many, many questions. Doug Riggs is the speaker.

    Blessings
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  2. I agree, there's such an evil agenda with this and I also agree in the future that it will be like the fallen angels with human women...it's probably always been a desire of the evil kingdom but society is now so depraved and accepting of sin that something like Twilight can be successful. It's unbelievable to think about!!! No wonder God has decided that it is almost time for judgement, imagine what He's now seeing in the hearts and minds of men, behind closed doors...He is so merciful!

    I was thinking the other day that if it was not for Christ and the indwelling of The Holy Spirit, that the number of people saved from judgement would probably be around the same as Noah's and his family. Imagine, in all the earth at that time, it was only their family that did not reject Almighty God (and didn't have their family genes tainted by mutated DNA).

    It's such an upside down way to view the world compared to what the world thinks but God knows the truth and compared to Him and the complexity of His creation we know nothing.

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  3. Well said Anonymous. I agree completely.

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  4. I am a Twilight fan--I have read all of the books and seen the first three movies. I do feel that some people take the whole concept to a larger extremes than necessary. However, I also believe that if responsible, this can be a fun saga of events to imagine this alternate world of Bella Swan. This being said, I would also like to point out that I am a Christian. I do not think we need to go on an anti-Twilight protest here. It's simply a fictional story for readers and movie-goers enjoyment. Stephenie Meyer wrote the books quite well. I believe that they are alright, as long as your family discusses this story, and parents don't allow their children to take these things to extremes. Other than that, they are just some enjoyable books with well-written story lines. Please keep this in mind.
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  5. I AM on an anti-Twilight protest. As a barometer for using our time and spending our money, is donating $10 to the movie gods to support demonic doings honoring God? Is the bloody and interspecies coupling between a human and a vampire something we really want to say is harmless? God is serious about dabbling in the occult. Movies about the occult are dabbling in the occult. I tried to show how Hollywood and television puts anti-Godly themes in our head to desensitize us to them and their harm, but in your case I believe I failed to illustrate the error of accepting it as harmless fun.

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    1. Oh dear..are you really getting wound up in this? Why not just accept that people have different views and opinions on these matters. Surely you would be better off trying to put pedofiles and criminals of sorts away rather than waste your time on this? If you've ever actually watched or read any of the twilight series you would infact realize that it is just a love story. plain and simple. And the poor women below this comment that has actually questioned if she is a "bad mother" for letting her children watch it because of you-how dare you make someone question themselves like that. As for a "GOD"....i am not against any one reglion but please respect others.

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    2. Yes I am wound up in this, lol. Why not? Everyone has differing views and opinions, and this is mine. And why should I respect other religions when they are false and the believer's belief in them sends the believer to hell?

      PS: I am not a law enforcement officer and I have no power or authority to put pedophiles and criminals away. Sorry.

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  6. Hi Elizabeth,
    Myself and my two oldest children (17&19) have read the books and seen the movies. However, we are very strong Christians, and a close-knit family. Could you please explain to me the errors of my ways? Am I a horrible mother for introducing them to this series? Thank you for your encouraging words of wisdom.
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  7. Why would you want to engage in an activity that lifts up and venerates that which the Lord said not to engage in? Why would you want to expose your impressionable children to an activity that the Lord is opposed to? Twilight is antithetical to Christian values or at the very least are at odds with God’s divine standard of holiness. Philippians 4:8 says we should think on, fill our minds with fill our minds with “whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy.”

    These are not my words of wisdom. They are the Lord's.

    It is always your choice on which activities to engage. With the current culture so opposed to the things of God, it is my opinion that parents need to be extra vigilant in striving to model engagement in activities that are more pure rather than less pure. It is your call on what is pure or not.

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  8. Concerned for my familyNovember 20, 2011 at 8:44 AM

    Dear Elizabeth,
    I have enjoyed reading your blog for a long while; you spread the word of the Lord so well. I am glad he has called on you to be his loyal servant.
    I am a grandmother of a very Christian-based family. My oldest grandchildren have read the Twilight series. They have not acted any different since reading the saga, but has it made them into devil-worshippers? If so, how can I ask God my savior to redeem them? And how do you think I should go about restoring them to God's kingdom?

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  9. Hello Concerned,

    Oh, you dear one...I can't imagine how hard it is for you as parents and grandparents to navigate the treacherous cultural waters today!

    OK, it's not like satan immediately grabs you when you read one thing that's off, or too drenched in culture or snatches you if you go to one movie. No, it has not made them into devil worshippers. They are not lost. That is, they are not lost if they have truly repented at one time and asked the Lord to forgive them, then they are saved and will always be saved. (John 10:29).

    What satan does, is desensitize us to evil. Doing so makes us less effective for God's glory. Vampires are evil. Or, they used to be presented that way in books and modern culture, until recently with Ann Rice's saga in the 1980s of the tormented slightly moral vampires. Ever since we have seen a slide toward acceptance of these demonic beings as moral, caring and now humans are presented as *marrying* them. (Just as it was on Noah's day!)

    Would you want your granddaughter to marry a man who acted like vampire? Wanting to kill her but restraining himself? No. Then why take her to see a movie about it? She should be looking in books and film at good Christian models for a husband.

    You remember in your teen youth the things you used to do, and the temptations that you had to deal with...they seem tame by comparison now, don't they? That is because the momentum toward accepting evil and evil things is moving very fast. We have no-fault divorce, marriage and remarriage, gay marriage, abortion as a woman's "right", premarital sex and living together, adultery...all acepted with less and less stigma. Same with the entertainments from television and hollywood.

    In the 1940s movies, if two married adults were in a bedroom together, there had to be two beds and one spouse had to have his or her feet on the floor during the entire scene. There could not be a whiff of sex. It was controversial to show Lucille Ball as pregnant in the 1950s. Now on free television children can see sexual intercourse with full frontal nudity. That happened within one generation. We have gone from Mayberry to South Park. Why? Because we spent money on the films and books that promote it!

    Do you see the momentum? Engaging in things what do not honor God is showing your family that you do not honor God... That is is OK to ponder about demonic sex...that demonic beings are moral. They are NOT moral, they are condemned.

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  10. CONTINUED (it was too long the HTML monitor said...)

    So, what to do? I would find the bible verses that talk about the beings from the other world (in the bible they are called demons and spirits, in today's world they are called those plus werewolves, vampires, ghosts,...etc) and discuss with your children why anything that is either dead and from hell, or undead is not of God, and spending time with them in the movie theatre or the television is something that pulls our minds away from the pure things that God wants us to think on.

    Remember, satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. In spending time on paranormal shows and movies, he is stealing our time and putting things into our heads that do not belong there, which desensitizes us to its potent evil.

    Remember, the bible says in Luke 10:27 to ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’. Therefore satan will try to steal your mind, your strength, your heart and your soul. He doesn't do it instantly, he does it incrementally.

    Remember, the in Mt 12: 43-45 that says, “When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first."

    It means that unless you are thorough and determined, and install Jesus firmly in yourself by prayer, study of the word, worship, etc, they will come back and bring more with them, especially if you continue enjoying things from the demonic world.

    But also give them a healthy alternative. Get excited about a good Christian series of books or movies to encourage them to try. It is important not to harangue the family but offer, share, and be ready to listen. Be patient, steady, loving, and as always, pray! Pray :)

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  11. Hey there...I was just curious as to what your stance was on a few questions. Soooooo....
    1.) In your opinion, is the author of the series, Stephenie Meyer, part of the occult?
    2.) Do you believe that the Twilight series should be removed from shelves of bookstores, libraries etc. and all products promoting or dealing with Twilight should also be removed?
    3.) What is your opinion on the Harry Potter series?

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  12. Hi there,

    1. Anyone not saved by the grace of Jesus is of satan. Matthew 12:30
    2. No
    3. Same as Twilight

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  13. just wanted to help explain something about vampires.

    Actually the vampires are the descendants of the original 13 Satanic Illuminati Bloodlines. They carry a hybrid DNA that goes back to ancient times. This DNA is a hybridization of the Adamic people (Abel) and the neanderthal like DNA of Cain 'the destroyer.' This DNA has been ruling the world for thousands of years behind closed doors- the vampires are the current offspring of this Satanic generation- this is their last moment of Glory before the Lord destroys them all. Hollywood is run by these Hybridized Satanic Vampires and their families- they used advanced witchcraft and child sacrifices to get more power from Satan. The Walt Disney Studios has an underground sacrificial altar where human sacrifices are performed- even Walt Disney himself was a child murderer, a pornographer, and a maker of snuff films- Walt was a Royal Freemason and a hgih level Satanic Priest...this is an established fact.

    The Twilight Saga and the Harry Potter books are all created by the high level Satanic priests in order to brainwash the people/children into worshipping satan- this is the End Times now- and satan has one last shot at corrupting as many people as he can- these vampire shows/movies contain subliminal witchcraft spells in them that can and do hypnotize people-particularly children. Even HDTV contains a subcarrier frequency that is designed to hynotize people into submission- and it works very well. Children in these times should not watch television or entertain with Twilight or the Harry Potter witchcraft novels.
    Hope this helps-

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  14. Hi Caleb,
    I just did a search for the things that you said Walt Disney was guilty of, and I couldn't find anything on it. Would you mind sharing your sources? Thanks.

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  15. @Emily- hi, actually there are a number of sources on Disney but the best one is the well known work of Fritz Springmeier- he has much detailed info on Disney that is very detailed- and is evidence of a very diabolical criminal mind- if you scroll down in this Springmeier you'll find much info on Disney that might shock you. Disney

    Springmeier on Disney: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/disney1.htm

    There are many other good sources on Disney that were online- I suppose as this info has come to public view then perhaps the 'Disney Police' are taking down websites...there is also much information regarding Disney being a pedophile and there are many allusions to this in his films- he was also a major Monarch Mind Programmer of Child Slaves and there is more...

    More links on Disney:
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread557408/pg1

    More on Disney:
    http://blackclawspy.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/the-walt-disneys-satanic-connection-%E2%80%93-illuminati-conspiracy/

    The Disney Movies are filled with Satanic symbolism, and witchcraft- if you go back and analyze them slowly you can start seeing the Satanic symbols-there are a number of videos on this subject:

    Narnia and Satanism:
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm

    Disney Devil Worship:
    http://youtu.be/FfqaamqLmmQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzFDDkCKQFM&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JuGc-FU09c&feature=related

    On Monarch Mind Controlled Slaves:
    http://youtu.be/0rMDh7crDos

    MK-Ultra Mind control:
    http://secretarcana.com/hiddenknowledge/monarch-programming-mind-control/

    There is more info out there- but I'll have to post more on this when I have more time.
    God Bless!

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  16. Emily, I have a web of trust extension on my browser and all the links Caleb is sharing are green, which means good, except one, which is yellow, the Narnia and Satanism link. Its rating was 40 in three categories but rated 34 (in the red) for child safety. That is because there are graphic and specific photos of aborted babies. That site has some other weird stuff on it, and I would not recommend visiting it. As I said, the other links have a green light.

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  17. Emily, Info about Fritz Artz Springmeier--

    is an American conspiracy theorist and religious right wing author, formerly a resident of Corbett, Oregon, who has written a number of books claiming that satanic forces are behind a move toward world domination by various families and organizations. He has described his goal as "exposing the New World Order agenda."[1]
    In 2003 he was imprisoned for his involvement in a robbery in Damascus, Oregon in 1997, in which he set a bomb at an adult video store as an accomplice of another right-wing militant. He was released in October 2010

    as for Disney 'snuff films', snuff is an urban legens. There are not any snuff films at all, from Disney Studios or anywhere else
    http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.asp

    The Disney, Freemason connection: Walt Disney was DeMolay. His brother - Roy - was a Freemason.

    the link to youtube to the 'Disney Satan worshiping', looks to me to be a bad edit-dubbing.

    I won't even credit human sacrifice in a dank Disney underworld below Cinderella's castle with a comment

    I won't look further with the rest of the links, but the claims Caleb is making here seem to me to be rather fringe. I have no doubt that Satan uses any medium he can get his hands on, and if Disney was not saved then of course he was used by satan in some way, just like the rest of Hollywood and just like the rest of the unsaved population. But the depth these conspiracy theories about Disney go into is off the charts.

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  18. Actually, the series is told from the point of view of Bella, the human girl. Just throwin that out there.

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  19. Jonathan, this is the information I have--

    "The series is told primarily from Bella's point of view, with the epilogue of Eclipse, and Part II of Breaking Dawn being told from the viewpoint of character Jacob Black, a werewolf."

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  20. Thank you Caleb. Also, thank you Elizabeth for your opinion also. I agree completely. God bless <3
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  21. Wow, when I saw your link on the left side of the blog I hoped this was a spoof of some sort. I had no idea that "this" was how church-going people were spending their time! How can someone say I'm a conservative Christian and take their family to see this stuff? I guess I've got my head buried in the sand, ALL this is news to me.

    I agree, this is clearly occult activity and we are to have nothing to do with it. Thanks for the vigilance Elizabeth, I appreciate your work.

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  22. Hi WingAbouts,

    I was completely saddened when I saw how MUCH 'Christians' are clamoring for more of the occult in the form of vampire stories, especially the Twilight series. Sadly, the youth (especially the girls) are being swept away by it. I was asked to speak to a youth Group in a Baptist church on the subject, because the subject had become so entertaining to them. (Several girls were 'cutting'). The Pastors said that they think the talk had impact because no one texted and no one fell asleep, lol.

    Seriously though, here is an article that I think may shock you. It refers to the phenomenon of grown women going crazy for Twilight at movie openings, many of these are Christian women
    http://www.scene-stealers.com/top-10s/twilight-breaking-dawn-i-like-twilight/

    here is a 2008 article about how many girls and women of the faith are clamoring for twilight
    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/twilight.htm

    and this one is really creepy- at the Twilight movie recently there was a spate of people having seizures in the theatre. Not just one theatre and not just one state. Many!
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/breaking-dawn-birth-scenes-seizure-inducing-effects/story?id=15029032

    Evil as entertainment seems to becoming the norm for Christians and they see nothing wrong with it.

    I fail to see how falling for a boy whose main point of valor is that he DOESN'T kill his girlfriend can make so many youths swoon. If you are going to romanticize things (and I do NOT recommend it) then why are they not gravitating to a King in shining glory who sweeps them off their feet on a white horse and installs them in a mansion and gives them life everlasting and crowns and treasure and everything they ever wanted, forever? What a nasty trade satan is offering, they're buying it

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    1. Probably because a King in shining armor are so old and boring. There is no fun in being a damsel in distress and then be saved by some hero and live happily ever after. I am a christian, but I can't see anything wrong in reading books. Most of the christian books I have read are just boring, I am really sorry, but they are. Except for C.S. Lewis Narnia. I really like Narnia, and I can not believe what Caleb is saying, and I do not believe that it is important even if it had been true.
      By the way, have you read the Blessed Child by Ted Dekker and Bill Bright. or the Lord of the Rings, a good book about morals. What that is christian litteratur and what that is not, it is really just a question of how you interpretes it.
      If you trust your child to have faith in the Lord, then I can not really see the problem about wathing or reading Twilight, Harry Potter, Narnia or any other books. I was allowed to read whatever I wanted, I do still believe in God.

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    2. Hello Anonymous,

      You have widened the discussion to something we are not discussing. No one said not to read books. Take that statement right off the table.

      Now, what we are talking about is what KIND of books to read. Are books about the occult, sorceries, divination, and other unholy things appropriate or not appropriate to read? And for what age?

      THAT is the discussion. So now let's discuss.

      You seem to be saying that any content is fine for you or for your child, that it won't or doesn't impact a person's walk with God. I prefer to speak of Jesus directly.

      I disagree. I believe that choice of reading material is in the gray area of Christian liberty, but I would offer some provisos to your stance that we or our children can read anything willy-nilly and it won't displease Jesus nor will it impact our walk. This is not true.

      Paul said yes, we can choose to do some things free from reproach, but in so choosing, we may be presenting a stumbling block to the weak.

      1. But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. (1 Cor 8:9)

      This means that you personally have assessed the cost of participating in he activity, in this case reading an occult book, and have decided that you are strong enough to withstand satan's attempts to sway you away from the path. (and he will, for we are not unaware of his schemes)

      So it doesn't mean that you ONLY assess the potential damage to yourself, but also to those around you. Perhaps you are a youth group leader, or have teens for children. Or grandkids. You must count the cost to THEIR walk, as well.

      2. Philippians 4:8 says, "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things."

      Is reading a book about vampires or any other occult book noble? Excellent? Pure? Lovely? The time we spend reading about impure, unlovely, uncommendable things we could have been doing the opposite and honoring Jesus. When we are called to account at the Bema seat I don't want to have more hay and stubble on my scales than there are jewels and silver.

      3. Jesus was serious about training children rightly. He said in Mark 9:42, “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." Do you want to take a chance that a book about unholy vampires and werewolves, interspecies romance or copulation, and plots focusing on 'the other side' will be acceptable to Him and to withstand his wrath against you for putting those images and concepts in their head?

      As for Christian literature being boring, I agree much of it is not well written. I enjoy Charles Martin's books. They are sentimental though. Some of Ted Dekker's stuff is more muscular.

      You said, "What that is christian litteratur and what that is not, it is really just a question of how you interpretes it"

      No it isn't. It's pretty easy to determine what is Christian literature. If Jesus is the focus, and He is uplifted, it's Christian literature. If there is nothing in it that violates a commandment, it is Christian literature. Vampire stuff violates the prohibition against participating in witchchraft, sorceries, augurs, divination, etc in Deut 18:10. Therefore Vampire books are not Christian literature. Use the bible to interpret whether a book's content is Christian or not and then it will be easy for you to figure out if what you or your child reads would be a stumbling block or a noble activity.

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  23. " romanticize things...King in shining glory who sweeps them off their feet on a white horse and installs them in a mansion and gives them life everlasting and crowns and treasure and everything they ever wanted, forever?"

    Simply they know that the King doesn't exist. Nor does the mansion, and who wants be left alone by their husband only to be consoled by crowns and treasures? Diana Princess of Wales has shown women the world over exactly what that scenario offers.

    Edward (The Vampire) loves Bella - SO much that he overcomes his very nature, he becomes a better "person" for her. He is rich in material items, he wants to protect her, and he loves her more than his own life. So incredibly romantic isn't it? Let's forget that he would like to drink all her blood, until she is dead. But then just like in the movie Grease, she turns to his side, she gives in her life to be like him. So many times this happens. Women change, we adapt to our surroundings for the love a man.

    Bella is one of the least "filled out" characters in the book, and rightly so. How else can women project themselves into her shell if she is well defined? We know little about how she is really feeling, except that she doesn't really want to go live with her Dad, and she's only a teenager at this point, and so impressionable.

    I found myself sickened to begin with while reading it. Then as you suggest more and more accepting of the existing premise. However, I find the movies, pretty, but difficult to follow if you haven't read the books, and still I find it sickening to think about. There is something very twisted about it.

    Romanticism of any love is a dangerous thing. Yet women want and need and pine for it. Men however are driven by lesser ideal, until they can overcome their natural nature, hmm who does that remind you of??? Edward - so back to the romance again... no wonder it sucks everyone

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