Monday, May 27, 2013

Another reason the rapture is pre-trib

I've written many times from a biblical standpoint that the rapture will happen before the Tribulation. Church Age believers living in this present Age of Grace will not go through the Tribulation. The Tribulation's purpose is for the salvation of Israel, not the refining of the Bride. (Jeremiah 30:7, Isaiah 45:17).

Here are some of the links of previous writings on this topic:

More on the rapture will be pre-tribulation, from John MacArthur

Why the rapture is biblically pre-tribulation.

Why pre-tribulation rapture is doctrinally correct

Thirty–Six Pre-Trib Rapture Texts

Pre-tribulation rapture in the Old Testament

More on why the rapture will happen pre-tribulation

The differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming

LOL, I think you can see that I am passionate about the topic. That is because it pains me to see people needlessly worry. It hurts to know people may be stocking up instead of looking up. It is all so unnecessary.

Anyway, here is another thought for you.

In the New Testament at the end of His time on earth, Jesus told the Church to go and make disciples. He charged the church with evangelizing the world.

"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”" (Matthew 28:18-20).

Originally, the Jews were supposed to be the evangelizing vehicle for His name. (Isaiah 42:6). However, they turned to idolatry, became insular, and so He cut them off for a while and selected a new people for His name who would be grafted into the original vine and be the light to the Gentiles. (Acts 13:47, Romans 11:11, Romans 11:24). This is the church age. The church is the vehicle He is currently using to bring salvation to the lost peoples.

During this Age, He has partially hardened the hearts of the Jews while He is building His church. He will continue to do this until the number He has ordained to complete the church has come in. (Romans 11:25). Then the rapture will happen.

But what about evangelizing, the Great Commission? Who brings the Light to the Gentiles, then? If the Tribulation is a return to working on His people the Jews, as it is, then His original commission also re-ignites. Who does Jesus tell to evangelize the world during the Tribulation? The Jews. 144,000 of them. (Revelation 7:4).

Why?

Because the church is gone. He is returning the original commission back to the tribes of Israel. They are his first fruits of which Zechariah prophesied. (Revelation 14:4, Zechariah 12:10). The Tribulation is about ISRAEL, in every respect. (Daniel 9:24-27).

If you read all of Romans 11 in context and go through Zechariah it will widen your perspective. God is always at work. It is amazing to read what He has done and what He plans to do, by reading both the New Testament and the Old. My voice isn't loud enough to proclaim all His goodness and wonders! But I will still try!!

9 comments:

  1. I just want to share this video.
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    please tell me what you think

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    1. Anonymous, please tell us why you share the link and what you think of it. Also, can you give a summary for those whose broadband is too slow to load videos?

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  2. with so many teaching re: the timing of the Rapture, there is one important facts about this, The dead in Christ shall rise first. and Jesus told us when it is
    John 6:39-40 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    Martha believes it Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
    Last Day.
    Paul say 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    Last Trump.
    Last Day, Last Trump.


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    1. You're right, the last trumpet. We do not know when He will blow it but when the number of Gentiles converted into the church is complete,(Romans 11:25) it will be blown. We don't know the number so we do not know how close we are. Could be any second now!

      The Last trump, for those of you who may be mixed up, is not the trumpets of the Tribulation. Those trumpet judgments have nothing to do with the last trump of the rapture calling us home. One is the trumpet of God, blown by God, and the other is blown by an angel

      1 Thessalonians 4:16 (trumpet of God, blown at the rapture)
      Revelation 8:2, 6 (trumpets given to angels)

      Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?
      http://www.gotquestions.org/last-trumpet.html#ixzz2XF2uBOi2

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  3. Hi,
    Ms. Elizabeth Prata, if you have not deleted the link it was compared there the very facts about the last trumpet sounded by the 7th angel.
    You make an assumption that the trumpet will be blown by God, please be careful. Nowhere it said that it will be blown by God, but the trump of God.
    In rev 8:2 the seven angels are standing before God, then the trumpets were given to angels. (who gave the trumpet, and whom they were from?)
    The seven trumpets are not numbered 1-7, so basically, the 7th angel will sound the last (remaining) trumpet given to them (by whom and who is it from is for you to discern, is it a trump of God?).
    Daniel had the vision of four kingdoms before God Kingdom. We know that God kingdom will not have a last day. and the Church will be there forever.
    However the fourth kingdom will have its last day and we are on its latter phase.
    the 7th angel sounding the last of the trumpet given to them includes: (Daniel 11)
    1. The kingdom of this world become the Kingdom of His Christ- Last day of the kingdom of this world.
    2. Resurrection of witnesses (rev11:11-12) - Resurrection at last day
    3. earthquake at resurrection - same as when the saints were resurrected in Mat 27:51-52
    4. the Mystery of God finished. when the 7th angel begin to sound Rev 10:7 as to Resurrection and changing to mortal bodies is also a mystery.
    Those are just few facts, but it also depends on how a person will accept it.
    the 7th angel sounding the last of the trumpets qualify for the resurrection of the dead in Christ.


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    1. Hi Anonymous,

      I'm sorry...I'm really tryingnot to be rude, but some of the things you wrote don't fully make sense, or are correctly aligned with the word of God. In some cases they are out of context. One example is "The kingdom of this world become the Kingdom of His Christ- Last day of the kingdom of this world."

      There are different resurrections, at different times.

      The 'last day' refers to a span of time, not one day.

      The 'mystery' doesn't mean what I think you think it means. It is a Greek word meaning a secret being imparted to the initiated, not something that is incomprehensible. The secret is the things of God and the initiated are the saints, having the Holy Spirit in us we can now understand the things of God, which the pagans cannot.

      There is no biblical basis connecting the Last trump of Thessalonian & Corinthians to the trumpet judgments.

      You wrote, "the 7th angel sounding the last of the trumpets qualify for the resurrection of the dead in Christ" but that is a bit non-sensical. Your use of the word 'qualify' is perplexing, and the trumpet simply unleashes a judgment, not that people are resurrected. The two witnesses being resurrected in those verses are a singular event and doesn't apply widely to the other resurrections.

      Here is a teaching on the last trump:http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/more-on-the-last-trump/

      and here
      http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/whats-the-so-called-last-trump/

      Here is a teaching on the resurrections. there are 4
      http://www.compellingtruth.org/the-resurrection.html

      I deleted the video link because it was not a good video.

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  4. Daniel 11 should be rev 11, sorry

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    1. Anonymous June 25, 2013 at 1:17 PM:
      I thank you for even trying to understand me. Sometimes giving direction verbally is difficult to understand, than giving a map. [Ed note: video link deleted here]
      the transition from the kingdom of this world to the kingdom of His Christ is the last day of the kingdom of this world.
      Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
      What is clear from the Bible that God will raise those who believes in Him at the last day. (John 6:39-40)

      Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
      The REST of the dead live not until the 1000 years is finished.

      That is the two phase of resurrection, If there are many more than that, probably an added story.

      You can give the meaning of the mystery of God in greek even in Hebrew or in latin, All I am saying is that there's a mystery of God finished when the 7th angel begin to sound.
      Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
      (If that mystery is the same as 1Cor15:51-53, then it fits)
      the sounding of the seventh angel includes the wrath of God, it also include the rewarding of the saints and those who fear his name, and the time the dead are judge.

      Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
      You see it is also the time of rewarding, not just judgement.
      The 7th angel sounding the last trumpet is a long period.

      Tell me what is not good about the video.

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    2. Anonymous,

      You replied so quickly I knew that you had not read the links I offered you that contained proper exegesis of the verses. I encourage you to read those, they are not long. It will explain where you have gone astray on this topic, and clarify some of the misconceptions about the resurrections. I know you want to understand the Word and not simply push your agenda on a free forum, right?

      The Tribulation (AKA Time of Jacob's Trouble) AKA Day of Wrath) is a time of judgment. There is no reward. It is all bad, all hell, and all wrath, all day, all the time. It is not a time of grace, or mercy, or reward. This is indisputable. I would cite verses but pretty much the entire book of Revelation expounds on this, as well as pretty much part of almost every book in the Old Testament. The wrath of this *future* time will not befall us in the church “Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through Him!” (Romans 5:9).

      The Tribulation will occur for two reasons: #1- Jesus will complete His discipline of the nation Israel (Daniel 9:24), and #2- He will judge the unbelieving, godless inhabitants of the earth (Revelation 6 - 18). That is His wrath during the Day of the LORD.

      The video was not good for three reasons:
      1. It taught wrong things
      2. It was badly scripted and nearly incomprehensible as to content
      3. His accent made understanding it even harder.

      I won't link to things that by definition doing so seems to give my readers my tacit approval to the content. I do not approve of the video content. I won't lead them to things that are inconsistent with the most solid and credible interpretations of bible doctrines, in this case, last things (Eschatology). So I deleted the link but kept your comment.

      Again, I encourage you to read over the links I offered and see what body of correctly interpreted knowledge from a wise male elder you could add to what is obviously your interest in this issues. I also encourage you to re-read this essay itself.

      Till another day,
      Elizabeth

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