Friday, October 11, 2013

Do the four blood moons of 2014-2015 have prophetic meaning? 3/3

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Here is part 3 of 5 looking at the current fascination with the blood moons scenario of 2014-2015. Here, Roy Exum waxes philosophical in his overview/summary in last week's Chatanoogan.

Roy Exum: Rev. Hagee’s ‘Blood Moons’
The Chatanoogan, Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - by Roy Exum

John Hagee is one of the best-known preachers in America. His Cornerstone Church in San Antonio has 22,000 active members. His radio/television ministry adds another 249 countries around the world every Sunday so it comes as little surprise that Hagee, also a best-seller author, has just written a new book that is rapidly climbing the Christian charts.

What will surprise you is “Four Blood Moons: Something Is About To Change” uses scripture from the Bible, NASA data, and recorded history to conclude the end of the world – as we know it – might be right around the corner. Understand, I’m not a Doomsday kind of guy, and my Bible tells me nobody knows the time nor the hour when the Lord will return to earth.

But you need to know that during the next two years a careful study of NASA tables shows we will have what astronomers call a Tetrad phenomenon – a string of four partial lunar eclipses where the moon will appear blood red on certain Jewish Holy Days. This has only happened three times in history and – every time – the blood moons signaled huge events that affected “God’s Chosen People.”

Consider this: In the Bible’s Book of Joel, Chapter 3:3-4 you can read, “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.”

For the record, a blood moon is not that rare. What happens during a total eclipse is when the earth’s shadow covers the moon completely. But, during a partial eclipse, the atmosphere will sometimes bend light around the edge of the earth’s shadow and the light will appear red or orange or yellow. (Think red sunsets.) But Pastor Hagee concludes that 'when a blood moon coincides with Passover’s Seder Night, history has shown it is a sign that something big is getting ready to happen'.

The first time it happened, in the year 1493,Pastor Hagee writes, the four blood moons occurred on the Hebrew holidays of Passover and the Feast of Trumpets. Pastor Hagee writes, “This signified the beginning of the fall of Spain following the expulsion of the Jews a year earlier and was God’s announcement to the world that ‘the mantle of prosperity had thusly been placed on the shoulders of the infant nation that would become the United States’ since it became a refuge for the Jewish people.”

The second appearance of four blood moons appearing on Hebrew holy days was 1949-1950. They occurred on Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles and the next day Israel was declared a nation. The third time was in 1967-1968, when the Six-Day War took place, uniting the city of Jerusalem for the first time in 2,000 years, “a monumental prophetic event,” according to Hagee’s new book.

Hagee has worked closely with Pastor Mark Biltz of Tacoma, Wash., who discovered that the only Tetrad Phenomenon in the 21st century, according to NASA charts and projections, will be on the exact days of Jewish holiday is 2014 and 2015. On April 15, 2014 will be Passover and on October 8, 2014 will be the Feast of Tabernacles. On April 4, 2015 will be Passover and on September 28, 2015 will be the Feast of Tabernacles. Expect a blood moon all four dates.

And if you want another sign, try this: After the first two blood moons in the sequence, and before the final two blood moons, will be a solar eclipse on March 20, 2015 – the exact date of the Jewish holy day Rosh Hashanah.

So what does that really mean? Rev. Hagee says in his new book, “Over the last 500 years, these lunar events all falling on holy days were an announcement of a time of tears and tribulation that ended in tremendous national triumph for the Jewish people.”

The minister further states, “There are no solar or lunar accidents; every heavenly body is controlled by the unseen hand of God to send signals to humanity of coming events.”

Hagee is convinced God will use the blood moons to signal that He is getting ready to change the course of human history. “No one knows the mind of God but the anticipation of these events tells us something will happen.” There are many Christians, after reading the new book, believe the coming tetrad is hardly happenstance.

That said, whether you want to buy green bananas is entirely up to you.


It has always been safe to buy green bananas. It has never been safe to buy green bananas.

That's because the rapture has always been imminent.

The problem with tying political or cultural events on earth to whether blood moons were happening is that for it to be truth, absolute and perfect in God's plan, you have to tie EVERY blood moon that ever occurred to 'something big happening to the Jews'. How do you decide which events tie in? You can't. That is where the blood moon scenario falls apart.

Were there 'tears and tribulation that ended in tremendous national triumph' for the Jews or the state of Israel on July 1, 1982, when a "20th century doozy" or a red eclipse was reported in the Sarasota FL Journal? No. But Mr Hagee's phrase has a wonderful alliteration to it. Truly tremendous.

How about on September 26, 1996 when another red doozy occurred over the northern tier of America as reported by the Grand Forks Herald? No. The Sukkot Festival was ending on that day? Still nothing? Nope.

'Mr Eclipse waxes lyrical over red moon' on January 21, 2000, as reported in South African news. But January has no feast days, so there wold be no tie-in, you sputter. Well, who said there had to be a tie-in only on Jewish feast days? Where is that written? Yet Pastor Hagee said in his book about the blood moons, "There are no solar or lunar accidents; every heavenly body is controlled by the unseen hand of God to send signals to humanity of coming events." Well? What was the signal from the January 21, 2000 red eclipse?

You see the difficulty. While it is agreed that the LORD had a plan put in place with fore-thought, back-dating every celestial event as a tie-in with an earthy event to the Jews is precarious at best.

GotQuestions says of the Blood Moon scenario:

Question: "Is Jesus going to return during the blood-red moon of 2015?"
Answer: Gaining in popularity today is the teaching that a series of blood-red moons in the next two years will be a portent of Jesus’ second coming and a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Astrological charts show four lunar eclipses will occur from 2014 to 2015. Because a full lunar eclipse often makes the moon look red or orange, it is sometimes referred to as a “blood moon” or “blood-red moon.” Some teachers of prophecy say that this tetrad of blood moons will fulfill end-times prophecies in Joel and Revelation.

What has interested prophecy teachers is not just the number of lunar eclipses in the next two years but the timing of the eclipses. In both 2014 and 2015, a full lunar eclipse will occur on the first day of Passover and the first day of Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles). In addition to the two lunar eclipses of 2015, two solar eclipses will also occur. Similar lunar eclipses in back-to-back years have happened seven times since the time of Christ. Some of those have occurred in years of significance for the Jewish people, such as 1948 (when Israel was granted statehood) and 1967 (when the Six-Day War was fought).

References to a moon like “blood” are found in two passages of the Bible. Joel 2:30–31 says, “I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” In Revelation 6:12, John describes one of the seal judgments of the Tribulation: “I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.” Other passages refer to the moon being “darkened” (Matthew 24:29; Joel 2:10).

A tetrad of lunar eclipses—and the timing of those eclipses in the Jewish calendar—is fairly unusual, but not unprecedented. So the fact of the eclipses, while interesting, is no proof that Jesus will return by 2015. Furthermore, John’s and Joel’s descriptions of the signs of the Day of the Lord could refer to solar and lunar eclipses, but there are other possible explanations for those phenomena, such as changes in the atmosphere (mentioned in Revelation 6:12).

The blood-red moon theory is just that—a theory. Even as a theory, it comes close to doing what the Bible warns against: setting dates for the coming of the Lord. “About that day or hour no one knows” (Mark 13:32).


And with that solid note, I'll bring us to the next part, a detailed biblical analysis.

Part 1

Part 2


  1. wow that is why when I was a child Matt: 24 chilled and set a Godly fear in about the end of the age, its like LETS GO I love Jesus

  2. My information is that Sukkoth 2014 will have a full moon/eclipse on the first day, Oct 8; but that Sukkoth 2015 will have them on its second day, Sept 28. A small detail, but, in fact the first day of Sukkoth won't have a blood moon or even an eclipse at the start of the feast at the same time. And like Passover, which always takes place the night of a full moon, Sukkoth always includes a full moon, but not nec. the first night.

  3. Here's a good word to describe the four blood moon :prophecy: - nahrishkeit!

    1. LOL, yup that sure is a good word.

      The Jewish lexicon defines it as "foolishness, a triviality", as in
      "Why would we even discuss such narishkeit?"

  4. It has happened before. Its false. When they go black and blood red it will be for real and be world wide. Eclipses are only regional.

    1. Very good point, I agree. The blood moon tonight, only North America and some of south American could see. Israel can not see it right now. The mentions in the Bible, everybody will see. All the world will see these things.

    2. We asians also see it too

    3. don't be so hard on your self ,we are all on the same planet ,you know we all have said or done things that we cant take back

  5. Thing is.. You show me where in the bible both hebrew and christian it says the blood moon has to do with lunar eclipeses? Cause from what I read it says the blood moon comes from smoke, fire, blood here on earth not in the sky. This could mean a comet falling apon the earth creating fire, smoke and blood by killing people. Lunar eclipeses do not bring fire, smoke, or blood. You really need to redo your research on the bible and stop listening to people on the net.

    1. Alisha,

      I agree it's not good to get all one's information from the net, especially biblical information. Unless it's from an online bible, lol.

      Here is some background. The LORD said that before the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD, there will be signs in the heavens. The sky, the stars, the sun, and the moon will be affected. Here are a few of the verses which speak to the prophesied events.

      Revelation 6:12-14 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

      Acts 2:20, Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.

      Luke 21:25-26 And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

      Isaiah 13:10, Ezekiel 32:7 The moon shall not give its light

      I think people see the coming blood moons and the fact that such a series of them are occurring in such a way as to coincide with the very important and always portentous Jewish Holidays.

      However the problem is that the above verses speak to events that will occur at the very END of the Tribulation, AKA Time of Jacob's Trouble. We are not in the Tribulation so these blood moons happening now are not related to the prophesied events. Due to the lateness of the hour and the imminence of the rapture, some people are getting excited and see these four blood moons as a PRE-pre-event of a sign of a coming event. I think that's a stretch.

      The smoke and fire you mention could also relate to comets certainly and that is something prophesied, (Rev 8:10), but also a volcanic event known as dry fog could be the reason the moon turns to sackcloth. When a severe enough volcano eruption spews enough ash and smoke in the air, it covers the sky and makes spectacular sunsets, and also turns the moon to sackcloth (Rev 6:12) that in modern times is called dry fog. This actually has occurred several times in history, notably remarked upon by Ben Franklin in the 1784 Icelandic eruption of Laki. If you're interested, I wrote about dry fog and how it makes the moon look exactly like sackckoth here on this blog.

    2. I like some of your analysis, but I must say such a tetrad of blood moons do not necessarily occur at the "very end" of the tribulation. The day of the Lord may encompass the whole 7 years or time period during which God is judging Israel and the world. Your quote above in Acts 2 and Joel 2 indicate such a blood moon will come "before" that great and dreadful day of the Lord. I have not read Hagee's book, but have looked at Mark Biltz...He emphasizes that he is not setting any dates for the Lord's return; only making an observation. This tetrad will not happen again for over 100 years. Interesting. I think Mark is simply being a good watchman. I'll have to look up some of the above dates in the comments of others, but I am given to understand that, yes tetrads have indeed happened before and other singular blood moons, but they are significant only insofar as they occur on a Jewish festival using the Jewish calendar. When that occurs, we should be listening (not setting dates/times) to what God may be saying. Paul writes that he did'nt want us to be ignorant and that we are not in darkness that "the Day of the Lord" should overtake us like a thief. We would know the times and the seasons...God's festivals (moeds in Hebrew) tell us much about what God is doing or about to do in Israel and by extension, the world. Maybe he is saying in part...Get ready...repent...look to the Lord Jesus for salvation..."look up for your redemption draweth nigh". God bless!

    3. The Day of the LORD IS the Tribulation AKA the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

      When you say that 'it wont happen again for 100 years' the implicit corollary to that is that since it won't, it *has* to happen now. But you forget that Jesus is not bound by our almanacs. He can make it happen 100 years in a row if He wants.

      I know it happens during the Tribulation and likely the end because it is the 6th seal that says the moon turns to blood. The first 5 seals haven't been opened yet. And, all seals are opened in the tribulation.

      For now, it's just four moons that are blood red moons. There are harvest moons, blue moons, and lots of moons. Lots of feast days too. This tetrad isn't anything more or less interesting prophetically than the last time there was a tetrad, which was the 1900s. So why wasn't the tetrad LAST time an indicator of the tribulation? Why this one?

      NAh, go by the bible- not authors who think they know stuff.

      Please take a look at research regarding the Hebrew Roots movement Biltz is promoting.

    4. All that really matters here is that we are ready and able to go I to the world and preach salvation. Whether Christ comes tomorrow or 1000 yes from now we should be ready!!! God wants no divisions among believers just unity in reaching out to the lost. Amen praise God!!!

    5. Hi Deb,

      Amen, we need to be ready! It could be the next moments! You're right, God wants no divisions among believers (Romans 15:5-6) but He DOES want us united around correct doctrine.(for example, v).

      If we believe different things essential to orthodoxy, we're not united to begin with. If we reach out to the lost with mixed messages, or worse, false messages, they remain lost.

  6. While I was still asleep and just before waking up I heard a loud voice in my sleep say something. It said "world will end in the next lunar eclipse on Tuesday". I woke up immediately after hearing that. At a later point in the day I was curious to see when if any was the next moon eclipse which is how I landed on this page. Ironically the next eclipse is on April 15, 2014 and it happens to be on a Tuesday. Further research lead me to learning about the blood moon throughout history. Does this mean something? Was it a dream or a message? Has anyone else had this happen?

    1. Anonymous, it doesn't mean anything. In the spiritual sense,anyway.

    2. It means Anon is hearing voices and needs prayer for deliverance ;-)

    3. Last month I was thinking what I must do to prepare incase of an natural disaster. I went to right that days date
      when I wrote down this date 25/4/15, I thought it odd, so I made a note of it.

  7. Run and hide, its best not to think about things like moons, especially blood moons. They only bring hysteria to the peanut brained. Do as they did during the dark ages? Make stupid assumptions without any proof and cause panic.
    No one will know the day? That is what written in the scriptures. No one knows the day only the higher one.

    1. Hello Mark,

      I agree that thinking on those things can bring hysteria rather than the things Philippians 4:8 urges us to ponder. I wouldn't say peanut brained but oftentimes elder Christians tend to forget that our liberty might cause a stumbling block tot he weaker brethren (1 Cor 8:9)

  8. The whole business of tetrads, eclipses, etc, are merely signs and portents at best, mostly they are simply natural events such as happen all the time.
    What is missed by most everyone, is in an obscure verse of Isaiah 30:26, we are told that on that Day, [the Day of the Lord's wrath] the moon will shine as bright as the sun and the sun will shine 7 times brighter. Note that the so called 'blood moons' during the rising of the full moon, is merely an atmospheric effect.
    This is what will happen; the sun will explode out a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude, a seven times brighter flash, then the superheated hydrogen plasma will hit the moon and cause a thermite reaction with the aluminium oxide moon dust. It will burn bright red and hours later the main mass strikes the earth, fulfilling the over 100 prophesies about how the Lord will destroy His enemies.
    All the details are given to us by the Prophets, no need for useless speculation.

    1. useless speculation? Whats being discussed is not useless speculation. It's called being a watchman so that we might warn the ignorant and uninformed.

    2. we warn the unsaved by using the bible, not thinly stretched speculations on what a moon colored red might mean. It remains: the moon turning red is in Revelation 6:12. We're not there yet.

  9. Be prepared the fullfilment of the prophecy and the final judgement day from our Lord is coming anytime.

    1. Yes! The rapture is the next item on the prophetic schedule. When that happens, literally all hell will break loose and the Tribulation will begin. It could happen anytime, as you said! It's exciting to think about

    2. most of the comments are convinced that the blood moons have nothing to do with end time events,but what if they do...

    3. Okay I have to ask Elizabeth, what rapture? For the sake of the elect I will cut those days short is in the scriptures for a very clear reason, never NOT ONCE has God taken His children out of a situation where it would be an easy way out. We endure. We take our cross and follow Jesus. Now with everyone thinking they won't have trials-which James says to consider pure joy when you face them-in the end, what will their faith look like when Jesus doesn't pluck us out before the end? Will you still stand firm? When one is plucked out of the field or another spinning is gone it is the end time. Jesus will be here and will gather His saved right before the lost are cast into hell. One will be taken and the other left. Jesus won't come, take, leave, come again and destroy the world another day. There's only one more time. Please people stop drinking this koolaide.

    4. Anonymous, I believe God has a plan. We are to look and discern the signs as when we can tell spring is approaching so to in the last days. The third temple hasn't been erected nor has there been any such peace peace on the earth that is cut half way through the 7weeks or 3 and half years. Surely everyone here has read though that Israel and Palestine are in talks of a 3 year peace treaty. Which would be very interesting if that's why the signs in the moon, stars, sun happen to lining up precisely with Jewish holidays. Who knows, maybe just maybe we're seeing a sign that something very big is coming after all.

    5. Not once? You forget about Enoch. Enoch walked with God, and God took Enoch, and then he was not." Gen 5:24. And Elijah was taken too. 2 Kings 2:11. So that's twice. And it will happen again when the Lord calls to His bride and we are taken up before He pours out His wrath.

      Anyway, you mix up general persecution with THE Tribulation (Mt 24:9) AKA THE Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jer 30:7).

      These are specific references to a specific time in God's timetable and it has a specific purpose. Though many millions of Christians have endured persecution, He has not appointed the church to the wrath of this coming time of the Day of the LORD because part of His purpose for it is to finish the sin- and His bride is already delivered from sin.

      You can look forward to being whisked away with CONFIDENCE and CERTAINTY. Instead of THE Tribulation when Jacob will be having his trouble, (Israel) the church will be having a rewards ceremony with our Groom in heaven. For sure.

      Here is an essay on it that further explains the position and why it is biblical

      (PS the 'taken and left' verse you mention in Matthew 24:40 is not about the rapture. Matthew 24 doesn't teach the rapture AT ALL. Those who are "taken" are taken to judgment, see verse 39)

  10. I bet the Book made John Hagee a lot of money though.

  11. Watch out and be prepared for a. BIG HAPPEN in intire world!!This is not a really joke the Lord is coming back anytime from now so be prepared for his second coming on the final judgement day.Please pray,pray to our Lord for our salvation.

  12. Ok i believe that the blood moons will happen and signifant event will happen but i dont think the world will end in the next lunar eclispes if u read the bible there is a verse that says thay no one knows the day on god does and im very sick of all these end of the world theories.

    1. Hi Anonymous, I don't blame you for being sick of all the wrong predictions. They do get old, don't they. No, no one knows when Jesus is returning for His church, so these theories of when the end will come are always going to be wrong.

      However the end of the world itself is not a theory. Jesus WILL return for His Bride, the Tribulation will occur, and then after 1000 more years, He will melt the earth. (2 Peter 3:10). The Tribulation is a 7-year period when Jesus pours out His wrath on the Jews and the unbelieving pagans, in a series of controlled UNcreation acts. (i.e. flattening the mountains, sinking the islands, dropping the stars, dimming the sun)

  13. There has been blood moons before yes... but this time we are over 2,000 year period. all we need is the sun to be darkened... then that would really give some solid confirmation. that this time Jesus is coming. I hope many people will be be prepared for amazing event. God Bless

    1. March 20, 2015 is a total solar eclipse

  14. Would this not be classified as interpreting an "omen?" that mentioned in Deuteronmy 18:10?

    1. I don't know. What do you think? The Hebrew meaning of the word interpreting omens means "with implied power to learn secret things".

      WHat does it mean to practice divination?
      The word divination comes from the Latin divinare, meaning “to foresee” or “to be inspired by a god.” To practice divination is to uncover hidden knowledge by supernatural means. It is associated with the occult and involves fortune-telling or soothsaying, as it used to be called.

      Read more:

      And is it the same as when Jesus accused the Sadducees of not being able to correctly interpret the signs of His appearing?

      "And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test him they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2He answered them,a “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ 3And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. (Matthew 16:1-3)

  15. I guess it seems to be a fine line between looking AT nature versus looking TO creation to give us some hidden information. The Pharisees and Saducees were living in such spiritual blindness that they couldn't see the Living fulfillment of prophecy right before their eyes. I realize the sun and moon were created to give us seasons and even reveal the glory of God but I wonder if this whole "blood moon" theory has a dark underlying agenda. This is the kind of stuff that astrologers and oculists live for. I think it is wiser to stick to our "more sure word"...being awake, being aware of the times in which we live...and avoiding these other "signs" that profit men.

    1. A very wise answer, and helpful to me as well. Thank you anonymous. :)

  16. The sun turning black sounds to me like possibly after a NUKE or NUKES are used,against who is anyone guess. I can't be the only one to think this can I?

    1. Hi Jonathan,

      Yes, exactly. I think so too. In a comment above I mentioned the phenomenon known as 'dry fog' which is the cloud that blots the sun from an especially copious eruption, as happened in 1811-12 and in the early 1700s when Laki in Iceland erupted. I wrote more extensively about it, here

      Nuclear winter has the same effect as when a violent volcanic eruption occurs, and the result is the same, sun going dark with sackcloth over it. The globe gets very, very cold, and crops die, or won't grow. amine occurs.

      Since the 1980s when Carl Sagan and others began talking about it, we have known even better than the farmers in the 1700s and 1800s did in the previous volcanic winter, temps plummet, crops don't grow, and famine occurs. The 1811 eruption that called the year of 1811-and-froze-to-death, or '1811 The Year with out a Summer". You can read more about nuclear winter here

    2. so if we have a nuclear winter, or earthquakes, or floods all which are signs of Gods coming and the blood moons dont you think that SOMETHING BIG IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, TRUE!!!!!!!!!

    3. Hi Anonymous,

      We're not having a nuclear winter now. No nukes have been shot off. The sky is not darkened by nuclear (or volcanic) smoke. The sun still shines.

      Something big is ALWAYS about to happen. First, let's look at the language, 'something big is about to happen.' When God makes a prophecy, it is specific."Pierced but no bones broken', "riding on a donkey/colt', '30 pieces of silver'. 'Something big about to happen' sounds like a prophecy anyone could say at any time and be right.

      Secondly, something big IS about to happen, and this has been true for 2000 years. The rapture is always about to happen. This speaks to the Doctrine of Imminence. Dr Thomas Ice explains this biblical doctrine here

      and Dr John MacArthur explains it here

  17. No 1 knows bt jesus is coming soon!

  18. Karin Przybilski said

    Thank you, Elizabeth! I appreciate your sharing! God bless you always!

  19. Rev. 6:13 the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. Stars represent Fallen Angels a.k.a. evil sons of God. As in the days of Noah so shall it be before the Tribulation. The return of the Lord is not what everyone thinks. This is not Jesus. The only one that calls himself Lord is the Devil. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. For hearts the men shall fail them. Not from goodness but from a great evil of fallen angels or demons appearing in front of them. Also look at Luke 12:5,6 / 21:25-26 / Matt 24:21 / Mark 13:31 / Isaiah 13:21 / 46:11

    1. Thanks Anonymous. I'm not sure what you mean by "The only one that calls himself Lord is the Devil."

      Yes, the stars falling in Rev 6:13 could well represent the fallen angels. We know that in Rev 12:9 satan is finally thrown out of heaven, his entry now barred, and his angels with him.

      Luke 21:23 says "people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

      and the part referring to men fainting in fear could exactly be the fact that fallen angels, no longer disguised as ministers of light, are hurtling down in great anger. the next verse in Rev 12 is "But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

      However, the next verse in Luke that refers to he powers of heaven being shaken says that the powers of heaven are shaken because Jesus is returning with power and great glory. So it could be that people are fainting in terror because Jesus is returning. Rev 6:15-16 says they are so fearful they hide in caves and beg for the rocks to crush them, they are so scared to face an angry Jesus.

      So I don't think we can say dogmatically one way or another. I believe that to say something like you did, "The return of the Lord is not what everyone thinks" is presumptuous. It makes it sound like you think you know better than everyone else has interpreted it for the last 2000 years, lol. I'm sure you didn't mean that, but interpreting the compressed timelines in the apocalyptic sections of Luke, Mt, Mark, Revelation, Joel, Zechariah, and the other books takes careful comparison and lost of study. Even then, we can't be dogmatic about some of it.

  20. I didn't mean to be presumptuous but, you have to understand the context of the scriptures tells a different story then we've been told I whole lives. To say that Jesus the savior of the world and the light of the world, would come like a thief in the night as a reference to a criminal. As for as being interpreted for the last 2000 years now that sounds presumptuous.

    1. Hello Anonymous,

      I agree completely, the context is everything. The reference to the thief in the night is from 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2. Paul is writing to the church at Thessalonika to reassure them that they hadn't missed the rapture even though persecution/tribulation was starting, and that some of the brethren had begun to die.

      "Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you, for you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying peace and safety, then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child and they shall not escape."

      The thief in the night meaning is NOT NOT NOT that Jesus IS a criminal, but that He will come unexpectedly like criminals do. It is a reference to His speed and unexpectedness, not his character.

      If you want a good, solid sermon explaining the context thoroughly, here it is

      You make a wrong presumption that I believe something "because I've been told it my whole life." I came to the Lord at age 43, never having been to church, and began my theology with the bible.

      Further, I'd count myself blessed if I'd have *had* a worthy shepherd to explain the bible to me my whole life. It is why Jesus raised them up.

      Last, it is a presumption on your part that even if I HAD been told something my whole life, that I'd not have checked it out like a Berean and test it against scripture.

    2. You have some great knowledge and resources. I am very impressed with what you have been saying. What bible do you study from?

    3. I study from MacArthur's ESV study bible. I also own a NKJV and a NASB. For resources, they ar ethe ame as anyone can access, That website has parallel translations, concordance, lexicon, commentaries, bible atlas and maps, & more. I also listen to sermons from men who exposit the bible (preach verse by verse). I also Pray a lot. All these things are available to you, if you have the Holy Spirit. Ultimately, it's the Spirit who illuminates the bible for each of us.

  21. Being Jewish myself, I instantly became intrigued by the coming four blood moons and their significance for us Jews throughout history. In my own research of blood moons at specific times, however, I noticed an absence of any pattern that would support what the Talmud says regarding the meaning of blood moons.

    According to the Talmud (Tractate Sukkah 29a), lunar eclipses are supposed to be a bad sign for us Jews, whereas solar eclipses are supposed to be a bad sign for the rest of the world. History seems to prove otherwise. The blood moons that occurred in 1493-1494, for example, came after the expulsion of Jews from Spain, not before or during the expulsion. There had been other expulsions of Jews from England, France, Germany and many other countries to which Jews had lived for some time, yet no blood moons occurred. Probably the reason for this is because the blood moons of 1493-1494 were not signs of impending persecution of Jews, but rather deliverance from persecution. Prophets of the Tanack (Old Testament) were warned that Jews would face ongoing persecution in the nations to which they were dispersed, so they knew what was coming. It was just a question of when. This would also explain why there were no blood moons before or during the Holocaust. Most people would expect some sort of sign for the Holocaust simply because of its enormity. But the Holocaust, though it remains unprecedented, was merely another horrific episode in the ongoing persecution of Jews.

    In 1493, colonization of the New World had begun and the New World ended up becoming a safehaven for Jews, including the founding of the United States of America, Israel's strongest and most supportive ally. This can only be what the blood moons of that time were signaling. So while the coming blood moons of 2014-2015 may usher in a time of great calamity and suffering, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel-the beginning of a new era for all humanity.

  22. Apart from the religious explanation, we should take in consideration that it is JUST a natural phenomenon with not any hidden message or prophecy

  23. Actually, there have been 8 tetrads in the last 2000 years in which all four lunar eclipses have fallen on Jewish holidays. They are:

    1. 162-163 C.E. (Common Era)
    2. 795-796 C.E.
    3. 842-843 C.E.
    4. 860-861 C.E.
    5. 1493-1494 C.E.
    6. 1949-1950 C.E.
    7. 1967-1968 C.E.
    8. 2014-2015 C.E.

    And who knows how many happened before the start of the lunar calendar.

  24. Only the eyes of faith can see the Hand of God on all this. Until then, even the best human interpretation cannot suffice for what is plain by the Holy Spirit. Y2K was believable for many people, yet it didnt occur. Now, the birth pains of Christ's (Immanuel's) Second Coming is for the most part not taken seriously. Good. This lack of acceptance was expected, but few do believe. That in itself is a testimony that no matter the foolishness of debating over the order of Biblical occurrences, human interpretations of folly: look up and around. The entire earth, seas, sky, and the cosmos have been acting abnormally since 2012 of exactly January 1. Ever since then, activity has been rapidly increasing.

    Globally: worldwide unusual cloud formations, animals dying for no apparent reason, eerie trumpet-like sounds coming from the sky across the world, dramatic increases in seismic activity, earth movement not even detected by seismographs, unusual objects falling from the sky including massive hail...guys, this is far more than just the blood moons. Those awakened me personally, including the solar eclipse scheduled on Rosh Hashanah of all days.

    In other words, there is far too many simultaneous occurrences that the Bible said would occur...and more! Never before has there been such scientific bewilderment as to the impossible persistence of these occurrences linked with the Bible prophecy and beyond to even start to entertain this as just something to brush aside.

    And I dont care if my health deteriorates or the like: this is God at work here guys, my health, sleep, and interpretations drop immediately at all this! Who cares, praise God Jesus is Coming again! Blessed are we to even be privileged to live in the very age when these wonders are happening! I have nothing to fear as my faith in Him is quite strong, bolstered too by all that is happening!

    For the analysts and skeptics, there is no room for faith. If I didnt believe im God, yeah, sure Id try my very best to dismiss everything or rationalize it. Fear does that. Faith celebrates!

    Praise the Lord I am reading the Bible as Im sure many are as well. And God has only just begun, I cant wait to see what wonders our Lord of Hosts has for us next. :-)

  25. Many folks are convinced that no one can know the day or hour of our Lord's return and they are correct. We cannot know the DAY or HOUR. That does not mean that we cannot know the season or year, give or take a couple. You see, God spelled it all out for Daniel. He gave a table of Nations and He also told Daniel when the end would come. Check out Chapter 12. It will take diligence on one's part to conclude the year or season that the end will come. You will not definitely pin it down to the day and hour. Have fun!

  26. Thanks, Interresting !