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Michelle Lesley posted a note that Beth Moore is launching a weekly television program on TBN next week. She wrote:
One of the behaviors that illustrate bad fruit and indicate a teacher's falseness is who a person chooses to associate with. I have written in the past about Moore's association with the Osteens, both Joel and Victoria, and her manning the pulpit at Lakewood Church. I've also written about Moore's donations to Lakewood "for ministry support" to the tune of over $40,000. Moore has more recently partnered with Joyce Meyer, a blasphemously heretical teacher, on Meyer's TV program. Moore associates with Christine Caine and Roma Downey as well, and the list could go on. Far from being the Southern Baptist Convention's conservative and excellently exegetical darling, Moore is a false teacher leading millions of women astray every day.
The Bible warns us about false teachers. The moral and doctrinal purity of the church is something Jesus takes extremely seriously. To show the seriousness, He killed Ananias and Sapphira on the spot in Acts 5 for lying to the Spirit. To continue to illustrate how serious He is about the moral and doctrinal purity of the church, the Spirit inspired almost every NT writer to repeat the warnings, and caused many them to write many commands on what to do when encountering such doctrines and the people who bring them. Here are just two:
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, (2 John 1:10)
I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. (Romans 16:17)
To stay away doesn't mean not to be polite if passing in the hall, or if coincidentally attending the same secular event not to acknowledge their presence. It bespeaks of conscious choices to partner with heretics in religious pursuits. It means to deliberately choose to spend time with false teachers in Christian endeavors. Can two walk together except they be agreed? Amos 3:3 asks. Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers 2 Corinthians 6:14 warns, of fellowshipping with people who do not believe as we do.
So when we see that Moore has chosen to partner with such heretics, it speaks volumes. Here is the TBN lineup on Wednesdays:
The people on that list couldn't be more heretical if they tried. Wolves run in packs. Please, please be warned about Beth Moore. The Lord is lifting the veneer of Christianity from her very quickly now. He is revealing her false behaviors, false words, false teachings, and false associations more and more obviously. However, there are still too many women who either don't know about her falseness or refuse to believe it.
A little leaven spoils the lump, and Moore possesses a lot of leaven. Beware.
FMI on why Moore is false, please go to my link All Beth Moore Critiques Here in One Place. You'll find 50 links from me, other women, and men & pastors who have negatively critiqued her teaching by comparing it to scripture. Scroll down.
One of the behaviors that illustrate bad fruit and indicate a teacher's falseness is who a person chooses to associate with. I have written in the past about Moore's association with the Osteens, both Joel and Victoria, and her manning the pulpit at Lakewood Church. I've also written about Moore's donations to Lakewood "for ministry support" to the tune of over $40,000. Moore has more recently partnered with Joyce Meyer, a blasphemously heretical teacher, on Meyer's TV program. Moore associates with Christine Caine and Roma Downey as well, and the list could go on. Far from being the Southern Baptist Convention's conservative and excellently exegetical darling, Moore is a false teacher leading millions of women astray every day.
The Bible warns us about false teachers. The moral and doctrinal purity of the church is something Jesus takes extremely seriously. To show the seriousness, He killed Ananias and Sapphira on the spot in Acts 5 for lying to the Spirit. To continue to illustrate how serious He is about the moral and doctrinal purity of the church, the Spirit inspired almost every NT writer to repeat the warnings, and caused many them to write many commands on what to do when encountering such doctrines and the people who bring them. Here are just two:
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, (2 John 1:10)
I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. (Romans 16:17)
To stay away doesn't mean not to be polite if passing in the hall, or if coincidentally attending the same secular event not to acknowledge their presence. It bespeaks of conscious choices to partner with heretics in religious pursuits. It means to deliberately choose to spend time with false teachers in Christian endeavors. Can two walk together except they be agreed? Amos 3:3 asks. Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers 2 Corinthians 6:14 warns, of fellowshipping with people who do not believe as we do.
So when we see that Moore has chosen to partner with such heretics, it speaks volumes. Here is the TBN lineup on Wednesdays:
The people on that list couldn't be more heretical if they tried. Wolves run in packs. Please, please be warned about Beth Moore. The Lord is lifting the veneer of Christianity from her very quickly now. He is revealing her false behaviors, false words, false teachings, and false associations more and more obviously. However, there are still too many women who either don't know about her falseness or refuse to believe it.
A little leaven spoils the lump, and Moore possesses a lot of leaven. Beware.
FMI on why Moore is false, please go to my link All Beth Moore Critiques Here in One Place. You'll find 50 links from me, other women, and men & pastors who have negatively critiqued her teaching by comparing it to scripture. Scroll down.
Yikes! But are we really surprised? I'm not!
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised by what false teachers do or how low they go. But I am always surprised to see the Lord's work, and in this case, how quickly
DeleteDiscernment, discernment, discernment. People would be wise to give up following personalities. No doubt there are those who would shut their ears to hear she's a false teacher. They just love her and disregard warnings because she's such a convincing and charismatic speaker. They don't have a love of the truth or they would abandon her and seek out teachers of proper doctrine. However, Jesus is the Good Shepherd who will guard and protect His sheep and bring them into His fold away from the danger of the wolves and goats. Another dividing line. The many goats will remain, the few sheep will be called out from among them. Of that, we can be sure.
ReplyDeleteSheryl - I agree...it's more about following personalities than pursuing truth. The fascination with Beth Moore reminds me of high school. Every school has a popular girl or two whom all the other girls want to be like. But everyone focuses on the externals and they don't take into consideration the true nature of the person, which may not be all that great. So many women want to be like Beth but they don't realize what they see is by-and-large is a media creation, not the real deal.
ReplyDeleteI have several friends who are Beth Moore junkies, and it grieves me that they are so blinded. By their comments it is clear that they are smitten more with Beth than they are with God and His word. Comments like "she really speaks to me" or "she knows women" or she is anointed or gifted" indicated their focus is on the teacher, not what is being taught.
Elizabeth,
ReplyDeleteYou might consider including a link to "All Beth Moore critiques here in one place" at the bottom of this timely post.
Melissa
great idea, thank you for your suggestion. I will do.
DeleteThank you for diligently informing and warning. Sadly, so many just don't want to hear. :(
ReplyDeleteBlessings to you in the New Year!
"healingInHim"
Thanks, Elizabeth! So perhaps this exposing of her - quick as you said - is this before our eyes:
ReplyDelete2 Peter 2:1
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Hi Maria,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for the verse! I envision this sudden exposing of various false prophets (like Mark Driscoll, Moore, Tullian Tchividjian etc) as distinct from their destruction.
Gill's Commentary says of the swiftness of the false teacher's destruction is:
"and bring upon themselves swift destruction; either in this life, being suddenly cut off in the midst of their days, and by the immediate hand of God, as Arius and other heretics have been; or eternal damnation in the other, which their tenets lead unto, and which will swiftly come upon them when they are promising themselves peace and safety. "
A false prophet's sin is like an iceberg. 10% of the iceberg is visible above the waterline. It is hard to detect from a distance. The Titanic's lookouts had to use binoculars and go up on a crow's nest to even have a shot at detecting them. That is why the Lord gave His Body discerners, the Spirit dispensed the gift of discerning of spirits. Discerners can spot the iceberg at a distance, though little of it is visible above the waterline. Though all Christians should practice discernment, we have the binoculars and can sound the alarm a bit earlier.
However sometimes the iceberg is withered away by wave action and becomes unwieldy, and it turns over. It had reached a tipping point, literally. When it tips over, onlookers are shocked at how much ice there is on it below the water. That's like Moore.
Wave action is chipping away ad her veneer of Christianity. Her sin is being exposed more and more as she has difficulty hiding it. Sin piles up you know. (Rev 18:5, Ezra 9:6, Isaiah 59:12).
But the exposing of them will happen, either like Judas who took actions that exposed himself, all of a sudden, so suddenly the disciples that had lived with him for three years didn't even suspect his perfidy, or it will come on the Day of the Lord when He expose their black heart and sends them to sudden destruction.
I pray for her destruction. It sounds mean but as Matthew Henry said in his commentary regarding the 2 Peter 2:1 verse
"When God sends destruction on the ungodly, he commands deliverance for the righteous."
Her destruction will also stop her mouth from uttering blasphemies against Jesus. It's an agony to hear what these false teachers say against Him. I can't wait until it stops completely.
Elizabeth, it's true that it is an agony to hear false teachers pretend to speak for the Lord but speak what is ungodly. Their exposure shows that they are those who have been ordained beforehand for destruction, I believe. Pity her. Pray for the wicked to be silenced. Somehow it is wrong to pray for her destruction - remember how the Lord rebuked James and John, the sons of Thunder?
DeleteMaria one of the more glaring realities is that false teachers are ALREADY slated for destruction. the 2 Peter verse about their swift destruction continues with a promise that their destruction is not idle nor is it asleep (v. 3). She has been reserved for destruction already. I'm just praying for it sooner so as to prevent more spiritual Jezebels. I do not believe it is not wrong to pray for her destruction, she has destroyed the faith of many and maligned the Savior, though I will take to heart your caution.
Delete"And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has faith". 2 Thess 3:2
As for the rebuke you mention, John in Luke 9:54 verse you referenced was not asking the Lord to destroy a false teacher but was part of that conversation "Who will be the greatest Apostle in heaven?" Their zeal was misguided, as Matthew Henry says, "they were ignorant of the prevailing motives of their own hearts, which were pride and carnal ambition" (especially since most Jews were racially prejudiced against Samaritans) and it was for that reason Jesus rebuked them.
You're right, to want to destroy those who reject the truth like those John was talking about is not a ministry (JMac on Luke 9:54). "Judgment gives way to mercy on those who cease hostilities against the truth. But when that hostility against the Gospel is fixed and persistent, mercy is withdrawn." (JMac)
The severity against such ones is seen in the Bible to be increased against those who deliberately pervert the truth, like false teachers, for some of the most condemning language in the Bible is spoken against them. "Their mouth must be stopped" Titus 1:11 etc
I submit this essay for your consideration, as I will continue to ponder your cautions also.
http://defendingcontending.com/2009/10/05/are-we-supposed-to-pray-for-the-wolves/
Elizabeth, I have this article open on my reader now. Thank you - recognizing and dealing with false teachers/teaching is essential for us.
DeleteLearning about this began for me as a former Catholic and is continuing in unexpected ways such as this. My first exposure to Moore's work was in a Christian bookstore, where I was amazed to see a whole section devoted to her Sunday School materials. Yes, we should pray for deliverance from her for God's precious sheep!
I guess I have missed all of her blasphemies. Reminds me of what the apostle said....if they are preaching Jesus...let them. We are to obey Jesus and seek His face. I am not sure of why everyone is concerned about...There are many types of ministries going on in America. I would hesitate to so denigrate someone preaching Jesus .. just because they are not doing it YOUR way. Maybe I have missed something somewhere. I do not follow any preacher but rather, Jesus and His word. this tends to let me fellowship with different groups. I am wary of calling someone false unless I see real false teaching. This seems to be more about her emphasis on one part of the gospel over another.
ReplyDeleteYes you have missed all her blasphemies. There are many of them. You can peruse this link at the end, which has over 50 other links noting them all.
DeleteThe verse you reference but do not quote is actually Luke 9:49-50
John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us." 50But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you."
John's complaint was embedded in the discussion of "who is the greatest in the kingdom?" John would later come to see that the only tests of another person's ministry are the test of doctrine (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 7-11) and the test of fruit (1 John 2:4-6, 29, 3:4-12, 4:5,20). The man John referenced would have passed both tests, but at that time John was inclined to reject him solely because of his group affiliation. This is the error of sectarianism. (cf MacArthur Commentary).
So to apply CORRECTLY your verse, does Moore pass the test of doctrine? No. Does she pass the test of fruit? No. Your MISapplication of the verse would say that we overlook the manner AND content of what a person teaches and assume that their teaching just because they mention Jesus is accurate to the word of God.
Yes we are to obey Jesus and to seek his face. Part of obeying is to obey His warnings about wolves among the flock, especially His direct command in Matthew 24:4-
Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you."
Beth Moore is deceiving you. Do not be fooled. All false teachers preach Jesus. The issue is which Jesus do they preach? That is where discernment steps in. In your MISapplication of the verse, one would leave Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Muslims alone and not witness to them, "because they preach Jesus."
I'm glad you are wary of calling someone false until you see real false teaching. That is good, no one wants to slander but to do as John said "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” John 7:24
Be wary of fellowshipping with "different groups." You have no fellowship with darkness but are called to reject them who bring a different Gospel and mark them and oppose them.
This is not about her emphasis on one part of the Gospel over another. This is about warning about a very dangerous false teacher bringing poisonous doctrines and modeling a rebellious lifestyle. Go to this link to "see real false teaching" so you can discern.
http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2014/07/all-beth-moore-critiques-here-in-one.html
The article on praying for wolves, which you gave a link to, is really helpful. Thank you, Elizabeth!
ReplyDeletethanks for reading it! And you raised a good point and I will continue to search scripture and pray to be led to a convinced, correct understanding so as not to disappoint the Lord
DeleteIt is obvious that this is your desire.
DeleteMay we please Him and be found at peace - all of His children - when He returns!
What if she repents?
ReplyDeleteThe Lord could give her a spirit of repentance (for no one repents unless the Lord grants it). But is highly unlikely. 2 Peter 2:1, 2 says
Deletev. 1"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."
v. 3, "and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep."
Her judgment looms, is not idle, and it not asleep. Did Pharaoh repent? No. (Ex 7:22-23). Did the Thyatiran Jezebel repent? No. (Rev 2:21)
What if she repents? Again I say it is not likely. She has been contacted many times about her false words and she not only rejects the corrections, she preaches AGAINST those who bring them. She is pretty hardened. And that brings us to the facts, her rebellion. Like Jezebel and Pharaoh, it's persistent.
Preaching the 2 Peter 2:1 verse, John MacArthur said the destruction-
-"It is self-inflicted by a process of persistent rebellion. Quick, sudden, soon, that's what swift means, quick, sudden, soon destruction, either by death or by the coming of Christ in judgment."
Here is a great short clip of S Lewis Johnson preaching on how to treat false teachers:
https://youtu.be/4kwIOKbGHTI
One final note: J. MacArthur again,
"Paul's approach was quite different, [than the current climate of tolerance] so is Peter's. Their approach was to identify the opponent, call him what he was, and fight him on the basis of a passion for the truth. D.A. Carson wrote of this passage in 2 Corinthians, "If we are embarrassed by the force of Paul's denunciation, our embarrassment may only be testimony to the degree by which we have departed from the apostolic gospel." If it embarrasses us that the apostle Paul calls some in the church who name the name of Christ false apostles, deceitful workers who are headed for destruction, and if we think that's a little much, it only indicates how far away we are from battling for truth and how tolerant we have become.