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When someone is a false teacher, their perfidy can show almost immediately, as it did with Charles Templeton. Or it can be hidden for a number of years and emerge slowly and minimally, as has happened to Beth Moore.
A writer at The King's Dale was an early discerner of Moore, at least publicly online. In 2013 he had discerned her danger and wrote about her teaching. Dale said,
The 5 major types of her false teaching to be reviewed are:
I've been tracking her since 2011. In the last 7 years Moore's slide has become apparent. Her eisegesis, false notions, and cultural embeddedness have grown worse.
Remember, if you are a Christian, your trajectory will always go higher. The indwelling Holy Spirit will always grow you. If you are a pagan, your trajectory will always grow worse. Always. Romans 1:21-32 shows this. In addition, 2 Timothy 3:13 says,
while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
Some people find it hard to accept the words "evil" when applied to Beth Moore. After all, she is bright, engaging, happy seeming, effective, and passionate. However, that is the evil genius of satan. If he had come to Eve as a red jumpsuited, pitchfork wielding demon, would she had listened? He came as himself, the most beautiful of angels, glory light shining softly with helpful words.
So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:15).
Yesterday Moore tweeted the following:
Of course this foolish act sparks a concern for Moore, Jones, and the thousands of women participating in the lesson in which Jones knelt. She is leading many astray. It's a concern because it demonstrates how far gone Moore is into Social Justice, one aspect of which is seeking redress from people who have not hurt you personally but are lumped into some group defined by age, gender, and such. Her tweet and Jones's action also perpetuates the false victim mentality.
Have you been hurt? I've been hurt. Hurt is not defined in Moore's tweet(s). The word 'sinned against' isn't even used, just 'hurt.' This kind of language could include imagined hurts, past hurts, minimal hurts, or micro-aggressions (a new term that could describe something as slight as an imagined snub). A far cry from being disemboweled and burned at the stake, as many true martyrs were.
John Macarthur, preaching about the false fad of 'Social Justice' said of its victim mentality,
Adam was representative of the entire human race. At birth, we are all in Adam. Jesus substituted Himself as the sacrifice and took the punishment we deserve as in-Adam people. Jesus's work as the second Adam is finished.
Therefore, there can be no third Adam. No one man can rorgive the "hurts" of all other men or women living and dead. It is ridiculous to even propose it. What Moore is promoting is corporate forgiveness by a sole representative.
Here is Owen Strachan at Midwestern Seminary with thoughts on corporate representation:
A writer at The King's Dale was an early discerner of Moore, at least publicly online. In 2013 he had discerned her danger and wrote about her teaching. Dale said,
The 5 major types of her false teaching to be reviewed are:
Personal non-Biblical revelation
False gospel of pragmatism, self-improvement and prosperity
Legalism
Glorification of humanity
Roman Catholicism as a Christian denomination
Moore’s false doctrines primarily result from her mishandling of the Bible. She repeatedly demonstrates the following errors in her books and videos:The above issues with Moore's teaching remain the same, if not worse, and other concerns have been added to them by this date. Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio chimed in soon after The King's Dale did and went line by line through one of her teachings, biblically showing where Moore errs. He has doen so several times since.
Eisegesis
Proof texting
Improper allegorical interpretation
Poor knowledge of the canon of Scripture and methods of translation
I've been tracking her since 2011. In the last 7 years Moore's slide has become apparent. Her eisegesis, false notions, and cultural embeddedness have grown worse.
Remember, if you are a Christian, your trajectory will always go higher. The indwelling Holy Spirit will always grow you. If you are a pagan, your trajectory will always grow worse. Always. Romans 1:21-32 shows this. In addition, 2 Timothy 3:13 says,
while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
Some people find it hard to accept the words "evil" when applied to Beth Moore. After all, she is bright, engaging, happy seeming, effective, and passionate. However, that is the evil genius of satan. If he had come to Eve as a red jumpsuited, pitchfork wielding demon, would she had listened? He came as himself, the most beautiful of angels, glory light shining softly with helpful words.
So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:15).
Yesterday Moore tweeted the following:
Of course this foolish act sparks a concern for Moore, Jones, and the thousands of women participating in the lesson in which Jones knelt. She is leading many astray. It's a concern because it demonstrates how far gone Moore is into Social Justice, one aspect of which is seeking redress from people who have not hurt you personally but are lumped into some group defined by age, gender, and such. Her tweet and Jones's action also perpetuates the false victim mentality.
Have you been hurt? I've been hurt. Hurt is not defined in Moore's tweet(s). The word 'sinned against' isn't even used, just 'hurt.' This kind of language could include imagined hurts, past hurts, minimal hurts, or micro-aggressions (a new term that could describe something as slight as an imagined snub). A far cry from being disemboweled and burned at the stake, as many true martyrs were.
John Macarthur, preaching about the false fad of 'Social Justice' said of its victim mentality,
One word sort of sums it up and that is the word "victim." Each of these segments of our population who are crying out for social justice believed that they have been victimized by others in this society. This word, more than any other word, describes their self-designed condition. The self-perceived victims of social discrimination today are women who believe that they have been long abused by men, not only personally, but sort of collectively. ...MacArthur acknowledges that many millions of people are victims. No one would dispute that. Not him, not me, not anyone. He said,
The world is full of victims – victims of war, victims of genocide, victims of crime, victims of terror. The world is merciless for all of us on many levels. ... Let me make it clear. In God’s eyes – listen – no one is a victim. We are all perpetrators of open rebellion, scandalous, blasphemous sin against God. We are all rebels, we are all obstinate, we are all stubborn.A problem is that "lately this victim status has been embraced by the evangelical church," MacArthur said, and continued,
Let me make it clear. In God’s eyes – listen – no one is a victim. We are all perpetrators of open rebellion, scandalous, blasphemous sin against God. We are all rebels, we are all obstinate, we are all stubborn.A worse issue than a flase teacher leading many astray is the stated representational facet of this act. Moore tweeted:
Adam was representative of the entire human race. At birth, we are all in Adam. Jesus substituted Himself as the sacrifice and took the punishment we deserve as in-Adam people. Jesus's work as the second Adam is finished.
Therefore, there can be no third Adam. No one man can rorgive the "hurts" of all other men or women living and dead. It is ridiculous to even propose it. What Moore is promoting is corporate forgiveness by a sole representative.
Here is Owen Strachan at Midwestern Seminary with thoughts on corporate representation:
In the Old Testament, then, contrition took public form. The high priest confessed not only his sins, but the sins of all Israel. In the New Testament, a change takes place. God still has a people for himself, but he forms this covenant community not through a discrete nation, but an ingathering of Jew and Gentile alike (Romans 9-11). The gospel of grace in Christ crucified and resurrected entails not that God will create a second people for himself—composed of non-Israelites—but rather that the Abrahamic promises find their fulfillment in the Messiah. As the gospel is loosed, people from every tribe and tongue become citizens of the spiritual kingdom of Christ (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28; Hebrews 12:18-29). This is the true people of God; this is what the old covenant nation pointed to as the realization of the Abrahamic covenant.
What we call the "theocratic" dimension of the Old Testament has therefore ceased. By this I mean that you cannot look at any one nation on the earth today and identify it as the household of God. The household of God is not a building or a political entity at all; it is the blood-bought church of Christ, the church made up of redeemed sinners (1 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:21). There is no longer a ritual overseen by a high priest in which one imperfect human person confesses the sins of any "national" people of God. Every Christian confesses sin to one another, and Christ the high priest intercedes for us at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19; James 5:16; Hebrews 7:25). This is the pattern of our confession. We have a perfect high priest who prays for us continually, and out of the overflow of this intercession we confess sin to one another.
But we also note what is not found in Ephesians 2 or Colossians 2 (or in Acts 10 as the Gentiles are fully welcomed by Peter). There is no teaching in the text that calls Jews to apologize to Gentiles in representational ways for past sins on the part of all Jews, and neither are Gentiles called to somehow make restitution for corporate wrongs on the part of all Gentiles. The "corporate apology" (used in a group sense, not a business sense) becoming common in our day is foreign to the New TestamentJustin Orman (@Jborman9) said on Twitter of Moore's drummer and that sad scene,
It is remarkably easy to apologize for something you've never done to someone you've never wronged. Requires no humility, there's nothing beneficial resulting from it, & it has no basis in Scripture. The whole point, as far as I can see, is to look holy, which is anti-Scripture.As Dan Borvan said on Twitter,
In the sixteenth century, Beth Moore would have been condemned as a heretic.Ladies, please avoid Beth Moore. As her paganhood descends further and further into depraved rebellion, she is taking many with her. (2 Peter 2:2).
Comments
The idea of confessing sin that is not ours is so bizarre. The Bible knows of no such action. It is not humble to do such a thing; rather, it is intellectually dishonest.
ReplyDeleteHumility = confessing the sins you actually committed, and asking forgiveness from the Lord and from those you've actually offended.
-Carolyn
A little correction. Jesus is the Last Adam and the Second Man 1Cor.15:45-47. You wrote that Jesus is the Second Adam etc. It is easy to mix up those titles. Blessings.
ReplyDeleteIsn’t the whole “prayer for revival” movement a corporate prayer movement? It’s Christians asking for God to forgive our sins as a nation. We ask God to forgive America for abortion and other sins as though we are priests interceding on behalf of “those sinners over there” ... while never asking forgiveness for the sins of the church. As Christians we’ve been unfaithful to God by blending science, philosophy, psychology, money, contemplative mysticism, and now political ideology, in with the gospel. We’ve corrupted the truth—and we have to see it as sin. Beth Moore is simply blending Christianity with identity politics. She’s corrupting sound teaching. This is the sin that each Christian needs to search their heart about.
ReplyDeleteJesus AIN'T the SECOND Adam - Scripture says He is the LAST Adam. Abram, Noah, and David stood in as "Adam" before the last one. Of the first and last Adams, He is the second man. 1Cor 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. 1Cor 15:47 The first man was from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
ReplyDeleteBeth Moore is wrong as she can be. There ain't no Adam after the last One.
One more thought on this... Ezekiel 18 (vs 20) says the son shall not be guilty for the sins of the father, nor the father for the sins of the son.
ReplyDeleteEach one is guilty for their own sins, not for the sins of another. No human can atone for another human's sins, not even symbolically.
The only ONE - as you rightfully pointed out, Elizabeth - who can take on the sins of another, to atone for them, is CHRIST JESUS.
That drummer isn't humble. Misguided at best. Arrogant at worst.
-Carolyn