Monday, April 23, 2012

Beth Moore: a type of false prophetess of the church at Thyatira?

I want to explore several concepts from scripture as they relate to prophecy and the church today. The main word to take from this essay is "TYPE."

The first concept is the type of churches depicted in the seven letters to seven churches as we read in Revelation 2-3.

These were actual churches that actually existed, had actual congregations and actual praise and condemnation from Jesus. These churches are each also a type of church that existed and still exists throughout the Church Age. The letters are included in Revelation to reveal seven different types of individuals/churches throughout history to today and instruct us in God's truth. I do not believe that we can accurately and solidly match each church to an "age" throughout the Church Age. The type of churches depicted in the Letters are each individually kinds of churches that could and did exist at any time in this present age, including now. Ultimately, we can learn from each of the letters.

The second type I want to focus on is a historic type that is depicted in the bible. Each of these types have an actual person who will actually fulfill what is laid down in the bible, but also give rise to a type or forerunner. An example is Antiochus, who was a type of Antichrist. There will be one man who will fulfill the prophesies regarding what is written, but until is time arrives, there have been forerunners, or types of antichrists throughout the ages, men who were like an antichrist but not THE antichrist. Hitler was another antichrist-type.

John the Baptist was a type of Elijah the Prophet. There was an Elijah, and there will be an actual man Elijah again (I propose he is one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11), but John was a type of Elijah.

And now the main theme of this essay, the type of False Prophetess of Thyatira. There was an actual woman Jesus condemned who was corrupting the church at Thyatira. However we know from the previous bible examples that though there was an actual false prophetess corrupting the church at Thyatira, there will be again a type of false prophetess who corrupts the church.

Jesus's letter regarding Thyatira was the longest of the seven. It enumerates a number of issues with that church, however I'll focus on the teachings of the false prophetess who was corrupting the sheep.

Church at Thyatira
Thomas Allom's "Constantinople and the Scenery of the Seven Churches of Asia"
Here is the text: “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. But hold fast what you have till I come. And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations— ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’— as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’

This church was tolerating sin and idolatry (also sexual immorality). Worse, it was tolerating a woman teacher who was promoting idolatry and not only were they tolerating it, but she had risen to such a point of prominence so that Jesus called her "Jezebel" (who was a queen who led the people into idolatry and immorality). Now, it should be noted that this corruption was coming from a woman who was teaching the brethren, not from an outside influence. She was regarded as a sister in the faith. A prominent sister. So much so that she was given to teach and had gathered quite a few around her who were followers of her false teaching. And the rest were tolerating it.

God wants a pure church. He wants Jesus to have a holy and virginal bride, and toleration of idolatry and false teaching is the opposite of that. This church at Thyatira was mightily besmirched.

Charles Eerdman (1866-1960) wrote a summary of the churches in The Revelation of John: an exposition. Speaking of "the case of the church at Thyatira, as of the churches in Sardis and Laodicea, the situation was far more serious. Here not merely a small minority was indifferent but large numbers had actually yielded to the demoralizing influence of false teaching, and I might add of sin."

However, to complicate matters, the verse in Rev. 2:19 says "as for your works, the last are more than the first." They were loving, working and doing more that they had at the first. This makes it incredibly hard to separate the sinful idolatry from the loving works. They were not loveless, but they were tolerating sin, which would eventually eat them up. It did. By the second century there was no church at Thyatira any more. It had died. So obviously loving works alone are not enough to carry a church through. There must be solid doctrine and discerning elders properly addressing false doctrine.

In Thyatira, they were tolerating a false teaching. They were accepting of a woman who had taken a place of leadership in teaching, she was even preaching and prophesying. The church congregation was tolerating the evils of idolatry. Though the verse above calls them out for eating foods sacrificed to idols, nowadays, we do not sacrifice food to idols. However the notion there was of spiritual adultery, and spiritual adultery is certainly an issue today.

Let's take a moment to discuss modern idolatry. Idol worship in the Bible days was worshiping a cut piece of wood or stone, imbuing it with certain godly properties etc. Nowadays because the law is written in our hearts and the Spirit dwells in the body as its temple, idolatry is more geared to the self. All the various forms of modern idolatry (not biblical idolatry of calf or statue) have one thing at their core: self. We don't bow down to idols and images these days. Instead we worship at the altar of the god of self. The current preaching of the false teachers in the church teach and preach not the bible through exegesis which is to take from the Word based on the Spirit's truths, but instead read one’s own life experiences into the text of Scripture, called eisegesis. Instead of drawing out Jesus from the text, we read ourselves into it. False teachers teach the need to make the Bible all about ourselves.

There are many kids of self-worship today. The word-faith crowd believes we have so much power that we bind God into doing something by the power of our voices and words. Others of a more mystical bent believe that we have the power to be as gods ourselves by emptying our minds and becoming one with the universe. Still others preach we have the ability to prosper ourselves with our intentions and imaginations. No matter what kind of false teaching it is, it always comes back to self: our money, our faith, our abilities, our "pits", our emotions, our ability to get ourselves out of pits, our contemplations...me, me, me.

Webster defines idol worship as “the worship of idols or excessive devotion to, or reverence for some person or thing.”

With all of the above said, and with the idea that a type of false prophetess will become prominent and corrupt the such into spiritual adultery, can you think of one woman who perhaps fits the type that is described in the Letter to Thyatira?

Beth Moore?

I think we can see that in Beth Moore's fans, they exhibit what Webster calls the idol worshiping excessive devotion to her that goes beyond a simple preference for one teacher over another.

John MacArthur, in his sermon The Pathology of False Teachers, defines what false teaching IS: "It could be error about Christ, error about His lineage, error about His virgin birth. Someone who teaches contrary to the sinless perfection of Christ, contrary to His substitutionary atoning death on the cross, contrary to His resurrection, contrary to His miraculous life and works, His perfect teaching, His Second Coming, His high priestly ministry of intercession, His eternal reign, any of that. Anyone who teaches differently than that. It could be a denial of the authenticity of Scripture, the inspiration of Scripture, the authority of Scripture, the inerrancy of Scripture. It could be a denial of the work and ministry and person of the Holy Spirit as revealed on the pages of holy Scripture."

In Mrs Moore's case her falsity comes in "a denial of the authenticity of Scripture, the inspiration of Scripture, the authority of Scripture, the inerrancy of Scripture." If you are just reading for the first time that there are concerns with Mrs Moore's teachings, please note that I have many examples of these concerns on the sidebar to your right. Other bloggers have also listed their concerns hereherehereand here. Personally, I state unequivocally that through spirit-led study and discernment that my proposal is she is currently Christianity's greatest counterfeit.

Her teaching denies the inspiration of Scripture, the authority of Scripture, the inerrancy of Scripture by inserting herself as another Authority by reception of divine revelation outside the bible. She has been subtle. However, her false teaching is rapidly becoming more bold. She says that she hears God personally telling her to do things or to teach things, this is a denial of the authority of scripture when you receive direct revelation and teach it as authoritative. She said recently she was lifted up to another dimension to see the church from Jesus's perspective through Jesus's eyes and returned to tell what she saw. This is prophetess. She says a book was delivered to her heart in toto by God with a force as compelled to put ink on paper. This is spirit writing, an idolatry that consorts with the devil. More here.

All false teachers gather to themselves followers who exhibit excessive devotion. These followers defend their favored teacher almost violently. Many call themselves a "Beth Moore groupie." Traditionally, "A groupie is a person who seeks emotional and sexual intimacy with a musician or other celebrity or public figure. "Groupie" is derived from group in reference to a musical group, but the word is also used in a more general sense, especially in casual conversation. The word "groupie" is ... a derisive term used to describe a particular kind of female fan assumed to be more interested in sex with rock stars than in their music." In Mrs Moore's case it is the emotional intimacy they seek, because Mrs Moore is a self-help guru using the bible as a platform from which to read ourselves into the text for temporal help with astray emotions, rather than a sacred text to discern more about Jesus. In the groupie's mind they seek more intimacy with the false teacher than with Jesus. Any person who has become the substitution of adoration aside from Jesus is worshiping an idol.

Many female fans are more interested in following this false teacher than the One whom they are supposed to be learning about. Like this lady who titled her blog entry "Confessions of a Beth Moore groupie". Or this lady, who calls herself a BM groupie and says that if Mrs Moore is anywhere within driving distance, she goes to see her. Or this lady who made tank tops and took a photo of the self-admitted groupies in her group to send to the object of their adoration. Or this lady who calls herself a groupie and jokes that she amazingly strayed once from Mrs Moore to take a study under someone else (Priscilla Shirer, another false teacher). This lady calls herself not only a Beth Moore groupie, but a Beth Moore addict. I can go on with the myriad of ladies online who self-profess excessive devotion to a person who is not Jesus, but you get the idea.

The verse from 2 Timothy 4:3 applies best here: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears..." Let's unpack this phrase by phrase.

First, these ladies do not want sound doctrine. They have already rejected it.

Second, they want to suit their own desires. There is nothing in the universe more powerful than satisfying our own fleshly desires. It got Eve, then Adam. 1 John 2:16 applies here: "For everything in the world--the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does--comes not from the Father but from the world." It is one reason for the vehement defense of Mrs Moore and the violently verbal rejection of anyone sharing concerns about Mrs Moore.

Third, they 'heap up teachers.' This part of the verse always reminded me of a child at the beach, heaping up sand next to themselves, or a child at Christmas, heaping up toys.

Fourth, their ears itch. An itch MUST be satisfied. The Greek word for itch here is knéthó, itch, rub, tickle, or from a late word meaning 'scrape.' This brings to mind the extreme scene of itching Job experienced when he had boils, and used a pot sherd to scrape them. He didn't care if his very skin was scraped off, he had to satisfy that tickle so badly, even if it hurt him. (Job 2:8).

It is not simply a difference of opinion in one bible teacher over another. Where satan has successfully installed a false teacher who is drawing many away from sound doctrine, he will fight to the death to keep it that way. Here is a great short essay in Why Idolatry is so Attractive. If you read it, you will see why the ladies react the way they do, and why it is so hard to get a Beth Moore lover away from her teaching.

No, she does not call herself a prophetess, but she acts in the prophetess role when she says she received a word from God audibly, directly, or through a vision and was 'told' to go out and speak it to the people. Defenders of Mrs Moore pick at points such as the aforementioned, but in looking at false teachers and the type of false prophetess described in the letter to Thyatira, we look at what they do, not just at what they say. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck.

I have shared with you an interpretation specific to Thyatira of what Jesus warned, and of which we discern also will happen to the churches throughout the age. I applied an understanding of how Mrs Moore may be filling a type of role Jesus prophesied will occur. I ask you to ponder it, pray, and decide for yourself. I believe that Beth Moore is a type of false prophetess so deeply embedded in the body of the true church that her deep things of satan are corrupting it. That is my opinion, based on research, discernment, and prayer.

Meanwhile, Jesus said to those who do NOT hold to this false prophetess's teaching, this or any false teaching, I remind us of Jesus's words, "Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. But hold fast what you have till I come."

Hold fast to the truth! He knows who does not fall to the deep things of satan, and has their reward in mind. One stays fast to the truth by continually studying the real thing, praying, and submitting to the Spirit's generous leading into discernment. If you know the real thing, then you can spot the counterfeit. Watch out for popular false prophetesses, Thyatira, and hold fast, Jesus is coming!

22 comments:

  1. I have for some time myself regarded the church in America as the "type" of Thyatira. Expressly because of it's allowing that spirit of Jezebel to co-exist with it's teachings that may be biblical. It is very prevalent in America's church's and almost impossible to deal with once it is established.
    I have to say that I see Joyce Meyer running along for being the false teacher of the end times because of her many false ideas that she presents. One is that Jesus had to go to hell himself to pay for our sin's
    In chapter 4 of "what should you believe" on page 35 Joyce writes, "During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there. ...no plan was too extreme. ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell." (Underlining in the original) On page 36, she continues....... God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, 'Let Him go.' Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. ...He was resurrected from the dead - the first born-again man. (Underlining in the original.)
    Those who have gotten involved with these people just simply shut out the truth, no matter how obvious.
    Lord turn those who belong to you away from those such as Beth Moore and Joyce Meyer.

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  2. Hi Elizabeth, thanks for your visit and your kind words. I thank the Lord for your steadfastness in upholding the word of truth and for the encouragement you are for all your readers. When I get from urgent business I will certainly this last post more attentively.

    Recently I wrote these scriptures in reply to a post on the FB community "Beauty for Ashes`which I co-administrate. The theme was the need for discernment in the church.
    "Thank you Elaine for reminding us of the most pressing need for discerment in the believer´s life in these last days of great deception. Yet I am not ashamed, because I know WHOM I have believed and I am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day. What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you - guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us. 2 Timothy 1:12-14.

    WHAT DO WE HAVE OF LASTING ETERNAL VALUE? let´s meditate on that. The Lord Jesus to the angel of the Church in Philadelphia: I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have , so that no one will take your crown. Revelation 3:11.

    STAND FIRM. So then brothers, stand firm and HOLD ON TO THE TEACHINGS we passed on to you whether by word of mouth or by letter. May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word. 2 Thessalonians 2:15-17.

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  3. Hi Elizabeth, thanks for this well-reasoned, clearly written piece on false teachings. Years ago, a would be pastorette at a church I was attending recommended Beth Moore and attending her teaching conference. So I was curious to see what motivated her popularity and bought 2 of her small work books trying to help a friend of mine grow in her faith.
    After a cursory reading of a few chapters, I never gave them to her for the reasons you cited.

    It´s amazing the number of churches I visited just in the city I lived for 20 years that are defunct now or on the brink. You can almost predict with some degree of accuracy what the fate of these churches is going to be after a few years because of their departure from the truth of the scriptures, compromise or syncretism. Try as hard as you can warning the brothers and sisters and the leadership of the errors and the consequences, the deception, the desire to feed the flesh and the cognitive dissonance in most cases prevail.

    A sad thing indeed especially when discernement is a gift and all we have to do is submit to the will of God and ask for it from him who gives generously and without finding fault.

    Fortunately, some will listen and be grateful for your risking ridicule, contempt and even ostracism in some cases because of your love for the truth, for them and the Lord who entrusted us with that truth as a precious treasure to be guarded with the utmost care.

    Here is another scripture I didn´t have time to write that I will share with my readers: 1 Timothy 4 warning about the endtimes apostasy and deception:"Be diligent in these matters...WATCH YOUR LIFE AND DOCTRINE CLOSELY. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. Jesus in Matt 13:9 warns us that we have to have ears, to hear the Word, then he added in Mark 4:24 consider CAREFULLY WHAT you hear and then in Luke 8:18 be careful HOW you LISTEN and each time these instructions are tied to spiritual understanding and discernment and have consequences positive and negative.
    I appreciate your ministry and the fact that you focus on individuals that are representative and leaders in the false teachers and expose them on the basis of the truth. They are like mushrooms nowadays each trying to outdo the others. I try to limit my writing to principles and patterns found in the Scriptures and trust that my readers will do the homework and with the help of the Holy Spirit will find specific applications to their own lives. Besides, why duplicate what other ministries are doing so well!

    I wrote a piece on the "Poison of False Teachings". Here is the address: http://thelightseed.blogspot.com.br/2012/02/poison-of-false-teachings.html
    Grace and peace to you. Jean-Louis.

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  4. I totally agree with you that Beth Moore is not a careful, or trustworthy teacher of the Word. I can's stand it. And I can't stand how she has such a huge, crazed following.

    BUT, I disagree that she is what Rev. 2 is talking about with the church of Thyatira. The verse very clearly gives requirements for what it is talking about--a prophetess, who leads them into sexual immorality, and idolatry. I guess I base my opinion on this on the fact that she doesn't encourage people into sexual immorality.

    I also believe that the woman in Thyatira is a type of Jezebel, or Semiramis. I don't want to minimize the woman in Thyatira, to fit an average bad teacher like Beth Moore.

    Also, to make this point you have to say that Jesus is saying to Beth Moore, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." --I just don't think that God is going to kill her kids. JMHO.

    Just my opinion. But you made some good points. I just keep coming back to this video by the Fuel Project, and the specifics of the verse in Rev.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyKLay9soM4

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    1. Hi Anonymous,

      Fir enough, and thank you for reading it and thinking further on it!

      I'd just offer this, though...you said you don't think the woman in Thyatira is a type of Jezebel...but Jesus called her exactly that ("I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce"- Rev 2:10) so that takes of out of the realm of opinion and into fact...

      And a clarification about Jesus killing her children: I think that generally that part of the verse is interpreted to mean that Jesus will kill the false prophetess's spiritual children, not her actual birthed children. He will judge all those who committed fornication-spiritual adultery with the false prophetess of Thyatira & will meet their own doom because of their choices to follow her.

      I take your point about not minimizing the false prophetess of Thyatira to fit an average teacher like Beth Moore. I understand totally and it is a good point. This is where my opinion comes in and I understand it differs from you own: I feel that Joyce Meyer is an average bad teacher, Priscilla Shirer is an average bad teacher...I took Beth Moore as the supreme example of a Jezebel because of her power, her influence and her reach- currently being all of Western Christianity's most popular and well-attended female personality. There is no one close and no one in recent past that fits such heights, or is so well-embedded in church culture today.

      I'll watch the Fuel Project's video when I get home from work today, they have some good stuff. I appreciate your thoughts, thank you again for commenting and especially for reading it through. I know it was long... :

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  5. According to this there are lots of bad teachers...who in your opinion would be good teachers?

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    1. Hi Anonymous, thanks for the question:

      In my opinion, I believe that the following women are solid:

      Kay Arthur, Joni Eareckson Tada, Jill Briscoe, Martha Peace. Nancy Leigh DeMoss at Revive Our Hearts. I have personlly taken several of Kay Arthur's classes and in my opinion she teaches well. I listen to Tada and Demoss on the radio and in their short bits they seem solid. Demoss was the first to spot The Shack book as heretical so that is a good sign. Jill Briscoe and Martha Peace have been recommended to me. I mentioned these ladies with links over at
      http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2011/07/troubled-by-beth-moores-teaching-part-7.html

      You can find their websites there, or just google. :)

      Men: Steve Lawson (http://www.cfbcmobile.org/), John MacArthur (gty.org), Dr Stephen Davey (Wisdom for the Heart at oneplace.com), Phil Johnson & Don Green (http://www.swordandtrowel.org/Sermons.aspx), Steve Hadley (harvestreno.org). I like these men because they teach the scripture expositorily and they embed the teaching's verse in history and context.

      Thanks for the question! As always pray, use discernment and make your own decisions.

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  6. I thought after reading your comments about Beth Moore that John McCarthur would for sure be someone you would approve of as a teacher of God's Word. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. The Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit as to who is teaching and preaching the truth of God's Word and I have received nothing but condemnation from things I have heard and read from John McCarther. I am curious if you have ever been to hear Beth Moore in person? She ALWAYS humbles herself before the Father and asks Him to speak through her. Women flock to her because of the fact that she preaches God's Word and lives are changed. I have been through several of her studies and can tell you my life has always been pointed toward Jesus and my spirit filled and ministered to by the Holy Spirit. All I can say is you need to watch out about speaking out against those who proclaim the truth of God's Word!

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    1. I have heard Beth Moore in person. A false teacher OF COURSE will humble themselves before the Lord and ask Jesus to speak thru them. Do you think they will say "I humble myself before satan and ask him to speak thru me?" No. The scriptures say the false ones don sheep's clothing. They are inwardly ravening wolves. What you are seeing when she says I humble myself before the Lord is the sheep's clothing.

      I have no doubt that when you hear pastor John MacArthur preach the truth that you feel nothing but condemnation.

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  7. I have read and listened to B.M. for the past 5 years and she is definitly and false teacher. She is disobiedient to GOD by allowing men to sit under her teaching. She has been warned about teaching men and ignores the warnings! She endorses contemplative prayer which can lead to demon possesion. She claims GOD gives her knowledge to pass on to others. So much of her teaching is totally false it actually takes away from the glory of CHRIST and puts it on SINFUL humans. I would like someone to reply yo this question. If someone claims to hear from GOD and then reveals this truth to you or I and we through faithful scripture study and prayer find out it is a total lie who is actually speaking to this person? HINT- who is the father of lies, a murderer from the beginning, wanting ALL GLORY for HIMSELF?????????????

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  8. I have studied B M for 5 yrs. and she is a false teacher. She is into the demonic by promoting contemplative prayer which is the emptying of self and allowing any spirit to come in. She claims GOD speaks to her, but upon her teachings they are twisted. Would GOD give false information to Beth? OR would the father of lies be willing to talk to Beth?

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  9. I am doing a Beth Moore study right now, and recently went to hear her speak. It has caused me to meditate regularly on several Psalms and in addition, memorize and meditate on the book of James. Shocking, i know!!!

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    1. Congratulations. That is good. However I would remind you of the situation with Paul and the girl possessed of the spirit of divination:

      "As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. 17 She followed Paul and us, crying out, “These men are servants[e] of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” 18 And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour. (Acts 16:16-17)

      Why did they command the spirit to leave them? I mean, the spirit was telling the true Gospel, wasn't it? yes, but Paul didn't need that kind of truth coming out of the mouth of one who lived in UNtruth. (I am NOT saying BM has a spirit of divination, only remarking on how satan works by speaking lies and truth, mixed)

      As Matthew Henry's commentary states of that verse, which I think applies here: "Satan, though the father of lies, will declare the most important truths, when he can thereby serve his purposes. But much mischief is done to the real servants of Christ, by unholy and false preachers of the gospel, who are confounded with them by careless observers."

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  10. Amazing forum - thank you. I also believe Beth Moore to be a false teacher because she encourages one to look INSIDE to drag the ugliness out and deal with it, when transformation comes ONLY by beholding Christ, not ourselves. 2 Corinthians 3:18
    And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

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  11. I wonder how much time you spent in prayer before you wrote this article. The Holy Spirit dwells within me, what about you? Do you receive no teaching or guidance from the Spirit? Does the Spirit not help you understand and apply scripture to your life... because after reading this, I get the feeling that yours is a dry head knowledge of God.

    By deciding that Beth Moore is not led by the Holy Spirit beyond what you receive is putting yourself in a position of judging her heart. Let's look at the fruits of her work... the women driven to Bible study and a hunger for the word. Women seeking a deeper knowledge and relationship with God.

    Do you believe a person is more mighty than God? That God cannot direct those indwelled with the Holy Spirit? If this were true, then there would be none fit to preach or teach... as we're all flawed and sinful. I'm confident that if I'm inspired to seek God by a sinful human being... God will teach me through his Word and his Spirit. Beth Moore isn't the author and finisher of my faith - that is Christ.

    I'm grateful for the way God has used her to bless me. Unless you possess some incredible knowledge of all human kind and their hearts and spirits - which would make you God - you speak out of turn. You are being divisive and undermining an amazing work God is doing in individuals across this country. That is not your job. I would encourage you to pray fervently and ask God what motivates you along this path. Are you seeking to reveal true danger, or are you looking for ways to pick apart this teacher? Because in truth... amazing fruits of the spirit are on her branch - and the resulting drive to know God better isn't an evil thing... so I do believe that fruit was placed there by the vinedresser.

    As for the old bias against women teaching men... there are MILLIONS of women who teach their husbands - because their husband's won't haul their butts out of bed on Sunday morning. Shall they all shut their mouths and do nothing to share God with their spouses? If so... the rest of you men better get on the ball and start going out and reaching these men.

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    1. Hi Amy,

      Thanks for your comment. You opened with a series of questions. I'll answer them

      1. "I wonder how much time you spent in prayer before you wrote this article."
      A lot.

      2. "The Holy Spirit dwells within me, what about you?"
      Yes the Spirit is in me

      3. Do you receive no teaching or guidance from the Spirit?
      Since He is in me, He guides me. One of His ministries is opening the mind to understanding the bible. (Isaiah 11:2) He does this for me.

      3. "Does the Spirit not help you understand and apply scripture to your life..."
      Yes, he does. 1 Corinthians 2:10. It is He that lets me know when a false teaching is being put forward. John 14:26.

      4. "because after reading this, I get the feeling that yours is a dry head knowledge of God." And: "By deciding that Beth Moore is not led by the Holy Spirit beyond what you receive is putting yourself in a position of judging her heart."
      With that comment, aren't you putting yourself in a position of judging my head?

      I do judge Beth Moore as false by the fact that she, as you admitted, seems 'to receive more than me'. When someone claims to be receiving information about God apart from the bible, that is Gnosticism. Paul wrote the entire book of Colossians to rail against the fact that teachers were claiming to have received more, extra, and additional revelation BEYOND what we have ALL received, which is the Word. So no, Mrs Moore does not receive more than me. Or you.

      Christianity asserts that there is one source of Truth and that is the Bible, the inspired, inerrant Word of the living God, the only infallible rule of faith and practice (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 4:12). It is God’s written revelation to mankind and is never superseded by man’s thoughts, ideas, writings, or visions. You can read more about that here:
      http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-gnosticism.html

      And make no mistake, Moore is a Gnostic.

      5. "Unless you possess some incredible knowledge of all human kind and their hearts and spirits - which would make you God - you speak out of turn."

      I judge her teaching because I DO possess incredible knowledge: the Holy Bible and God's Spirit in me. God's word teaches us to watch for the coming false ones, to judge their fruits, and to test all things. I do this by comparing what she says and teaches to the word, and she comes up short. That is not 'judging her heart', as I am sure she is a very nice woman. It is judging her teaching. There is a difference. Read 1 Tim 3:1-11.

      The "desire to know God better" comes in all true forms and all false forms. Satan told Eve to get to know God better in the garden. Just because someone says that are trying to get you closer to God doesn't mean that they *are*.

      As for "that old bias against women teaching men", (I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet" 1 Tim 2:12) honey, it is the word of God, and it never gets old. God did not say "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; unless he doesn't haul butt out of bed, then it's OK." We cannot pick and choose which bible verses to apply to our mind and our life. In this discussion you neglect all the verses that say to test all things and be on the watch for false teachers and the verse about women teaching. Go by God's word, not your feelings. Thank you for reading.

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    2. http://tonycooke.org/video/rick-renner/women-in-ministry.html

      Rick Renner on women in ministry

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    3. Anonymous, thanks for the link. It is to an 1 hour and 8 minute sermon. Typically, people don't have a lot of time and they as I need a bit more information to go on in order to make a decision on whether to watch it. What is the synopsis of this sermon you shared with us, please?

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  12. Good article. Enjoyed reading it. Very sound. We are in the last days. Lots of "Christian" people no longer want sound teaching just as the Bible has warned us. You are right about her "violent" followers. I tried to tell some of my friends about Beth Moore's false teaching and I got such aggressive responses. That showed me right there that something is wrong if one can not hear someone's take on something without going for my throat. I came in the spirit of love and concern. I have decided to no longer say anything because I realize that some people have already made up their minds to go head long into deception for love of their false teachers and what they offer. For those that are truly seeking what is right, it's good to see sites like these to help lead them to the truth. Keep up the good work.

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  13. Just now found this thanks to Pinterest. I could never figure out why I never really dig into her studies. Now I know. Only through a thorough reading of the Word and sincere asking of God for wisdom and discernment. The thing is people, I am sure she is a really nice lady! That's not what is being discussed here....it's the teaching, and that we can and are supposed to judge!

    Thank you for being brave in posting this....it's not what itching ears want to hear!

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  14. Thank you for this post. I just started going to a woman's Bible study where they are planning to do a Beth Moore Bible study. I have done her Bible studies before and enjoyed them, felt I had learned a lot from them. That was a while ago. I found out after completing the last one that something was "wrong" with her teaching but couldn't put my finger on it exactly. It just felt wrong. So, not wanting to go on feelings only, I researched her studies online and have been since then. At first, I thought maybe some of the controversy was unfounded and maybe even alarmist. But the more I researched,( not only others opinions or insights, but what she has said on her DVDs, etc. and even attending one of her seminars/conferences) the more convinced I am that her teachings, at the very least, are not Biblically sound. So now, after a very long search for a solid, Biblically sound church, I may have to continue my search once again as I am certain if I say anything negative about Beth's teachings to this small group of women, I will likely receive some negativity in return. I do not want to be divisive but I am sure that's how it will look. After all, I am the new kid on the block, so to speak, and these women have known each other for a long time. I live in a rural area and have looked into all the Christian churches near me and it's the same old story-either lukewarm, legalistic, or church marketing, or false teaching, or neo-Christian/post-modernism. This church is a 45 minute drive which is difficult financially and otherwise as it is. But it seemed like the right place at first.
    Sorry for going on and on. I am just so very discouraged about church right now. And the path that so many churches are taking.

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    1. I KNOW your discouragement and SHARE your frustrations with the paths that many, many churches are taking today. But, we are in the last days, and this was foretold by Jesus (Matt. 24). We found a church 50 minutes by car, each way---finally----and it is SO WORTH IT! I have been studying online via listening to excellent Bible teachers who adhere to the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. Our pastor is one of them. Praise God. But, he must be lifted up in prayer, for Satan stalks those who are faithful to His Word & never rests till he makes them his ministers of righteousness. The Lord will lead you in His timing, and He will bless your sitting at Jesus feet for now, though alone. And, that is wonderful and well worth it also. God bless you.

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