Wednesday, January 30, 2013

Jim Nabors, 82 (Gomer Pyle) marries long-time gay partner

Actor Jim Nabors of ‘Andy Griffith Show’ marries male partner; says he ‘just wanted it legal’
"Actor Jim Nabors says marrying his longtime male partner doesn’t change anything about their relationship — he just wanted it to be formally acknowledged. “I just wanted it legal,” the 82-year-old actor best known as Gomer Pyle in “The Andy Griffith Show” told The Associated Press on Wednesday. Hawaii News Now reports Jim Nabors and his partner, Stan Cadwallader, traveled from their Honolulu home to Seattle to be married Jan. 15, 2013. The couple met in 1975 when Cadwallader was a Honolulu firefighter. Nabors married 64-year-old Stan Cadwallader in Seattle on Jan. 15. Nabors says they have been partners for 38 years."

Well. That's kinda disappointing. I guess I'll delete my "Jim Nabors Gospel" Pandora channel now.

The national religion, homosexuality, is proceeding apace. As a benchmark behavior, it is listed pretty far along on the scale of where a nation stands as far as rebellion against God goes. (Romans 1:18-32).

Last October in his devastating sermon called "Homosexuality and the Campaign for Immorality", John MacArthur spoke about the Romans verses and where America is now in terms of being on track for imminently enduring God's wrath of abandonment:
What you see in Romans chapter 1 is the sequence of what happens when God abandons a nation. First, verse 24 says, He gives them over to “the lust of their hearts to impurity,” sexual sin, the dishonoring of their bodies among them. When God abandons a society, the first thing that happens is it becomes pornographic. It becomes obsessed with sex, obsessed with fornication, adultery, every kind of sexual behavior. We have gone through that already in the sexual revolution a couple of decades ago.

The second thing that happens when God abandons a culture is found in verse 26, “God gave them over to degrading passions...their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural...in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.” At the end of that verse, “Receiving in their persons the due penalty” is the diseases that come consequent to homosexual behavior. And as you know, they unleashed on the world the horror of AIDS.

But what it’s saying here is that when God abandons a nation or a culture under His wrath, there will be a sexual revolution followed by a homosexual revolution. And we are living in this very condition.
Jesse Johnson at The Cripplegate wrote today of persecution of Christians in America. He sees it coming, a peculiarly kind of American persecution. He sees that it will be based on refusal to submit to our new national religion: homosexuality. Here are just a few of the bullet points:

Four responses to the coming persecution
--The day is quickly coming when churches will be subject to legal obstacles for their stance on homosexuality.
--It seems like only a matter of time before lawsuits targeting churches are filed if a church refuses to do parent/child dedications for same-sex couples.
--It is not far-fetched that pastors will lose their housing allowances, and churches lose their tax exempt status, unless they are willing to affirm the validity of the homosexual lifestyle.

Johnson goes on to describe how we should respond to it, and what to remember above all. It's a good essay.

Matt Slick at Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry wrote:
"Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible. But, it also goes against the created order of God who made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Gen. 1:28). Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It is, therefore, a contradiction to God's stated desire in the created order. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it - and support it. This judgment is simple in that those who practice it are given over to their passions - which means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins."
My heart grieves for Nabors. He is a man who appeared in several wholesome television shows as an innocent person seeing the good in all people in a chaotic world. However the truth was far from the superficial thespian presentation. If Nabors has been in a homosexual relationship for 38 years or longer, then from the verses in Romans it can be seen that God has given him over to his perversions as a judgment. Rev. Slick concludes his essay with hope, the hope we gain from Jesus:

"The only hope for the homosexual, and all people who break God's laws, is to realize that God is holy and he will rightfully judge all who have sinned against him by breaking his law (1 Kings 8:32; Ps. 9:8; 1 John 3:4). If he did not do this, then he would be approving of wrong doing. However, God is loving (1 John 4:8) patient (Rom. 2:4), wanting people to repent (Acts 17:30) and come a saving knowledge of him so they might be redeemed. What this means is that the sinner must turn to Christ, who is God the Son in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), who bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), died and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4), and made it possible for sinners to be saved from the righteous judgment of God by faith in what Jesus did on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21) and be forgiven of their sins (Eph. 2:8). This is done receiving Christ (John 1:12), by believing in him and his sacrifice that is a payment for our sins to God the Father. Like any sinner, the homosexual needs to repent, receive Christ by faith, and be saved from God's righteous judgment by trusting in Christ and the judgment that fell upon him on the cross. They need to pray and ask the Lord Jesus to save them."

I hope that Nabors and his partner do pray to Jesus. Meanwhile, my Nabors Gospel channel has got to go...
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Note: an addendum essay was published here regarding one more thought on the issue.

Jim Nabors being with a partner for 38 years in no way legitimizes homosexual marriage as a proper relationship 

20 comments:

  1. Deep down I guess I've always known he wasn't attracted to women but somehow I thought, as long as he wasn't a practicing homosexual, he was okay. I don't think I can ever look at the Andy Griffith Show again without getting sick to my stomach [knowing that they all knew about this and said nothing]. Yes, these are the end times!

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    1. If love makes you sick to your stomach, try Gravol.

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    2. Love is not what's making me sick to my stomach because Jesus, and only Jesus, is love. This is a sick abomination and those who support it will fare no better in the end. And before you call me a homophobic you can save those silly responses. I fear no homosexual--I actually love them. That's why I try to share the truth about their lifestyles with them so that they will have a chance to make it right with God. I really don't care what anyone says or thinks. All I know is that the the Bible tells us if we don't warn the wicked to turn from their ways, and they die, their blood will be required at OUR hands. Although it will be in the spirit of love, I will always speak up when I prompted by the Holy Spirit; homosexuality is wrong.

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  2. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said to them, he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ... (John 8:7). In other words, zip it, slappy.

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    1. "Slappy"... that's funny. :)

      If we apply your severely excised and out of context verse to life in general, then no one anywhere at any time would ever point out sin, rebuke it, or preach about it. Why? Only Jesus was without sin.

      Now the slappy-haters would probably like it if no one ever expressed anything about sin, but that is not what we are called to do.

      Instead, if you do a careful reading of that incident in the bible,in context, instead of using a verse that seems to suit your own agenda, it actually means that before one calls out sin in a person they should have done everything to make sure they were doing it with right motives and with a purest heart possible while still being in a flesh with a sin nature. If you are interested in learning about what 'not casting the first stone" ACTUALLY means, you can read about it here

      http://www.gotquestions.org/without-sin-cast-first-stone.html

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    2. "If we apply your severely excised and out of context verse to life in general, then no one anywhere at any time would ever point out sin, rebuke it, or preach about it."

      Elizabeth you are so right. That is the very reason why Satan has twisted this scripture in the minds of, not only those in the world, but those in the church as well. Not only does 1 Corinthians say to judge those within the church, but those who make it to heaven will also be judging the books. We have to remember that Satan also knows the Bible probably better than most humans--he even tried to twist the scriptures and deceive Jesus but Jesus rebuked him with the full understanding of what those scriptures really meant. Albeit in love, keep rebuking sin, and also, If possible love and restore the fallen brother as long as he/she repents and is sorry.

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  3. I hadn't heard about this; who would of guessed! I am constantly amazed at the amount of Christians who say, "I am not here to judge. If that is who they want to love then so be it." or "God will handle that". Yes God will handle it but by being so passive, I feels like it becomes mild acceptance. I have so many feelings on this matter, that I am having a hard time typing a comment. I think I am always taken aback about how aggressive and strong the homosexual movement is. It is being touted as "normal" and acceptable. You see it everywhere you go and almost every show you watch. I see it more and more as I am walking out of my door; a serious rising to be quite honest. I also notice the HUGE uprising in all things Transgender. Last year Washington, D.C began their transgender and gender identity respect campaign, which shocked me. That shows you how accepted it is.

    Also Elizabeth, how should a Christian handle a friendship with a homosexual? Is that even possible? I would love to know your opinion on this.

    Thank you again for your everlasting discernment

    Marrell

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    1. Hi Marrell,

      Yours is one question I personally struggle with. On the one hand, we are called to love people. On the other, we are called to be in the world but not of it. I wonder how the tension between those two will extend to expressing itself in how far to go in being involved in the lives of homosexual people.

      We might have a gay friend...and then that gay friend gets married...and then that gay couple wants to adopt a baby...and then they want you to babysit while they go out and lobby for gay rights... So you see the progression.

      I'll post a clip from GotQuestions which is actually discussing an answer to whether a Christians should attend the wedding of a gay couple. However the answer makes some remarks about being friends with homosexuals, but then I have a remark to make afterwards:
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      "Should a Christian attend the wedding of a gay couple?"

      Answer: First, a word of encouragement: if you are the kind of friend that a gay couple would invite to their wedding, then you are probably doing something right. When Jesus ministered, those who were despised by society, the tax collectors and the sinners, drew near to Him (Matthew 9:10; Luke 15:1). He was a friend to them.

      Further, no one sin is greater than another. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of many sins listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. We all sin and fall short of God's glory (Romans 3:23). It is only through Jesus Christ that we may be saved from sin’s eternal consequences.
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      Where GotQuestions says homosexuality is a sin like any other, I tend to slightly disagree. Romans 1 is clear, God uses homosexuality AS a judgment. It is the only sin as far as I can tell, which God uses as THE barometer for being a judgment and for using as a general judgment upon a society. Also, Sodom was judged for that sin and Peter makes reference to that fact that it is a reminder to the ungodly. He didn't say "I smote Beiruit for greediness and that is a reminder to you.' He used homosexuality.

      So personally I do not think it is a sin like any other. I think it betrays a more grave state in a person's heart and a more distant standing with God and a more imminent judgment.

      That said, I do believe our response should be just as loving. Matt Slick said at CARM, what should be the Christian's response to a homosexual? writing--

      "The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he (or she) is in rebellion. Therefore, we Christians should show homosexuals the same dignity as anyone else with whom we come in contact. Don't injure them. Don't hate them. Don't judge them. Inform them that freedom and forgiveness are found in Jesus. Let them know that God loves us and died for us so that we might be delivered from the consequences of our sin.

      But, this does not mean that you are to approve of what they do. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of rationality, godliness, and biblical truth. Instead, stand firm in the word that God has revealed and patiently love him/her biblically, and pray for their salvation. Be kind to them. Be loving. And, when appropriate, tell them the gospel."

      "http://carm.org/bible-homosexuality"

      I encourage you to read both essays in full, they give a balanced and wise answer for us to consider about this most thorny issue of the prevailing sin of today.

      But my answer to your question is first pray for wisdom in your particular circumstance, and pray for the person you know who is involved in a sordid lifestyle. Other than that, I am still seeking discernment on that one myself... :)

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    2. Thank you Elizabeth; I will make a point to read both essays shortly. I am glad to know that I am not the only one who struggles with this.

      I also think the devil uses our struggle regarding this matter for his benefit, especially since a lot of Christians can be luke warm on this matter; we know how God feels about lukewarm matters. I say that because on one level you are not to hate another child of God, but you don't like the life that the person is living because it is against God. Also you can see the reperccusions of a lifestyle such as this will have on a society. It is definitely something that you have to be so very discerning on, and pray that you are doing the right thing by God's standard. I have made a decision that I won't go to my friends gay wedding (if there is one) just because I don't accept his lifestyle and by attending, I feel like I would be celebrating something that is against God. Also because as you pointed out, where it can lead. It is such a slippery slope, and I tread as carefully as I can.

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    3. Re: "by being so passive, I feels like it becomes mild acceptance"

      Other people's marriages aren't any of your business.

      Re: "[being gay] is being touted as "normal"

      That would be because it IS normal.

      I see no evidence of "discernment" in what Elizabeth types. This "Further, no one sin is greater than another." dictum is utter nonsense. Loving another human being (which was Christ's commandment to us) is NOT the same as murder.

      And Sodom was NOT "judged for that sin". At least not per Ezekiel.

      She quotes a lot of Paul, but here's what Jesus had to say on the topic: "...". That's right, He was silent on the issue. Would that His selective followers would take the hint and do likewise.

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    4. "[being gay] is being touted as "normal"
      -That is your opinion, but that is not God's opinion.

      Loving another human being (which was Christ's commandment to us) is NOT the same as murder."

      You are right! Loving another human being is NOT the same as murder, but living a homosexual lifestyle is a sin, just like murder and all sin is an offense to God.

      " "...". That's right, He was silent on the issue. Would that His selective followers would take the hint and do likewise. "

      Jesus didn't need to speak on homosexuality because it was very clear from his Father's commandments on how it should be regarded. The Son (Jesus) obeys and follows the Father (God) why would Jesus approve of homosexuality when it is something his Father hated.

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  4. Elizabeth, 20 some years ago I quit watching t.v. or movies with Jim Nabors (and Rock Hudson) because I believed they were both homosexual even though my friends told me I had a lot of nerve saying "such stuff" about those two wonderful actors. No one saw the irony of THEIR comments about them being just that: actors!!! (An aside, I also quit liking Andy Griffith when I found out he fully supported the Democrat platform and all that stands for.) :( I appreciate this article and the Scriptures you have shared, especially those pointing out God's desire that all come to repentance and be saved...and your comments to love and pray for others while not approving of what they do. Blessings on your ministry of sharing The Truth.

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  5. Had heard several years ago that Nabors was a homosexual. Just like Rock Hudson, Rosie O'Donnell and so many others, it' all about what I want, what makes me feel good.....Their world revolves around "i", "me" "mine" with no place for "He", "Him", "LORD..." Truth has been replaced with tolerance and the evil in their heart.

    "From their callous hearts comes iniquity; the evil conceits of their minds know no limits." Psalm 73:7

    Sadly, they are deceived in their thinking - and for many it is too late.

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  6. Elizabeth I really appreciate what you said about it not being "just like" every other sin. There IS something different about this sin which the Lord makes clear in many passages of scripture. Perhaps because it distorts and defiles something that God specifically created to be a gift to mankind? In any case it is especially destructive, both spiritually and physically to individuals and ultimately to the nation that embraces it. God does judge these nations! And we are ripe for judgment here in America.

    As far as Jim Nabors goes...I guess I am weird but when I go back now and try to watch some of these old programs that seemed so wholesome, there is often something that bothers me about them. The Andy Griffith Show (loved and watched by many Christians today) also had the character of Otis who was the "town drunk." How many people laughed and laughed at this comic portrayal of a depraved lifestyle that in actuality became all too real for some and as a result ruined many lives and families? When you think about it there is absolutely nothing funny about drunkenness and there really is absolutely nothing funny about Otis. And thinking about the character of Gomer Pyle, he played a man, but very soft, gentle and way too sensitive. Was it "effemininate lite"? Supposed to be funny, but really not when you think about it? First they had us laugh at these things and that made them alot less scary. I'm just sayin'... interesting that just a few years after the show ran that Nabors met his future partner.

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  7. I believe God calls us to love REGARDLESS on how we feel about people and their lifestyles.....Jesus came for the ailing not the healthy....if everyone bashes and judges, how in the world will anyone every see our light and see our hope?? Satan knows how christians feel about homosexuals.....but how does God want us to feel? He created these people and regardless, WE are called to love them, not their sin as with anyone, but THEM....I choose to walk in love and be the hands and feet of Christ...who are we to condemn those outside the church?? We have all forgotten where we were before we were saved....we need to have MERCY..I'm glad someone reached out to me when I was in darkness instead of judging and condemning me....Let God be the judge of an person outside the church....Because only he can!

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    1. Anonymous, you mix up love and condemnation. Announcing a lifestyle that is sinful is not UNloving. I am not condemning them to say that homosexuality is a sin. I am telling them that they are condemning themselves by choosing to sin, and then we share the good news of how to overcome that sin. Too many people these days want the remedy without ever hearing the diagnosis of their disease- sin.

      I wrote that "I grieve for Nabors" and that "I hope he finds Jesus". Those are loving statements. I choose not to 'walk in love' by remaining silent about what the bible calls sin. That is actually being hateful. It is loving to say what Jesus had said: homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals will not gain heaven. Homosexuals will go to Hades if they do not repent.

      If you call that "bashing" then I am sorry that you have switched bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. How can someone understand the good news of being saved from h-ll, if they never hear what they need to be saved FROM?

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  8. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I guess all of y'all are sinless, because there sure are a lot of stones flying. Sin is sin is sin is sin. So unless y'all are perfect-no fornication, no adultery, no shoplifting, no cheating on your taxes, no lying, no slick deals, always respectful to parents, no drugs, a completely healthful lifestyle - quit throwing stones."All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." "There is none righteous, no, not one." "Gomer's" sin is not the unforgivable sin. Ultimately, the only people who will be lost are unrepentant sinners, and it is up to God to make that determination. It's His job and I, personally, am glad to let Him have it.

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    1. Sin is sin. And homosexuality is one of them.

      Yes, you're right, the lost people are unrepentant sinners, erm, like unrepentant sinning homosexuals?

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  9. Jesus did not state anything about homosexuality because He and the Father are both against homosexuality.

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    1. Hi Anonymous,

      Jesus said plenty about homosexuality. We can't do the 'red letter' thing, parsing which words Jesus said, which somehow count for more, than the black letters which He allegedly didn't say, which somehow count for less. All scripture is authoritative because He said it all. He is the Word, and God spoke thru His Son. The Holy Spirit breathed out the Word, and the Spirit is God. Just say that God wrote the bible and it is all equally authoritative and excellent.

      You're right, God abhors homosexuality. Homosexuality is a sin and He hates all sin. Unrepentant sinners do not go to heaven.

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