Saturday, June 1, 2013

Did Gabriele Amorth really exorcise 160,000 demons?

The Catholic Church has a premier exorcist. And he is swamped. Eighty-eight year old Gabriele Amorth has been busy, busy, busy casting out demons from people, and wants pope Francis to start training up the younger priests because he doesn't see any let-up any time soon. There are so many demons, and they are so persistent.
Top exorcist claims to have ridden the world of 160,000 demons
"The Catholic Church's top exorcist, who claims to have sent 160,000 demons back to h-ell says he wants Pope Francis to allow all priests to start performing the ritual to deal with a rising demand for exorcisms from the faithful."

"An 84-page update of exorcism rites compiled in 1614 and drawn up in 1998 stipulates how Catholic priests trained as exorcists should operate. According to the guidelines established by the church, they have to follow a ritual known as "De exorcismis et supplicationibus quibusdam," or "Of exorcisms and certain supplications.""
What is wrong with this picture? Is Jesus still on the cross? No. He is risen. (Matthew 28:6).

Let's look at his assertion that he has exorcised all those demons. First, understand that the Catholic Church is a false religion and its adherents have no access to heaven and are not friends of Jesus. They are actually friends of satan, being unregenerated and without the Holy Spirit.

Secondly, we understand that there is demonic activity in the world today. We know the devil prowls about the earth, seeking someone he may devour. (2 Peter 2:4, Job 1:7, Job 2:2). Are his demons with him also? Yes. Demons exist, and they are active on earth, in the air, and in heaven. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15, Ephesians 2:2, Ephesians 6:12).

Third, let's take a look at where the demons are. Mr Amorth says that he is sending them "back to hell."
Are they in hell? Well, some are.

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; " (2 Peter 2:4)

"And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day" (Jude 1:6)

"And they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss." (Luke 8:31)

"And they were all amazed, so that they questioned among themselves, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.” (Mark 1:27)

So some fallen angels (demons) are roaming around with satan, possessing people and influencing kings and ministers of the Gospel and doing what they do. Other demons are not on earth. They are held in chains in the abyss, a place typically interpreted to be a pit under hell. The bible says they are to be held there until a time when they shall be released on His Day, and in future event Revelation 9:2-3 we see this happen.

Now if Mr Amorth says that he is sending these "back to hell" that means two things. It means that the word of God is weak and God is not sovereign, because we have some escapees that God Himself put there. It also means Mr Amorth has an equal power to Jesus because he is claiming authority over demons and can send them to hell just as Jesus did.

A final point is that if Mr Amorth is casting out demons from "the faithful" as he states, that it means a Christian can be demon-possessed. It means that demons have somehow broken the seal of the indwelling Holy Spirit God gave us (2 Corinthians 1:22) and overcame the blood of Jesus to be able to get inside us. (Left, Sons of Sceva, by Johann Christoph Weigel, 1695)

Of course, these things can't be true. First, the demons who Jesus sent to the abyss are still there. They won't be escaping until God tells the angel to open the shaft and they fly out in Revelation 9. Second, the Holy Spirit dwells inside us (Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19) and it is not possible that the demons would dwell in there too. The other demons that are roaming around aren't possessing "the faithful" Christians, they are possessing non-Christians.

I mentioned first that the Catholic religion is false and its members who adhere to its doctrines do not have the Holy Spirit. So if a Catholic "faithful" is possessed it means they are not saved.

Yesterday another demons and Catholics story was published. It involves the Pope.
Man Pope Prayed Over Still 'Possessed'
Edward Pentin's Perspective: A 43-year-old Mexican father of two, who claims to be possessed by demons — and whom Pope Francis prayed over earlier this month in what some witnesses likened to a public exorcism — insists that he still has demons inside him. Identified only as Angel V., the man told Spanish-language newspaper El Mundo that he had undergone some 30 exorcisms by 10 exorcists, including the renowned Roman exorcist Rev. Gabriel Amorth, who all tried unsuccessfully to free him from his affliction. The interview was reported in the Italian daily La Stampa. “I still have the demons inside me, they have not gone away,” the man said, noting that he felt much better after the Pope prayed over him. El Mundo reported that the man is able to walk. He was in a wheelchair when he met Pope Francis on May 19 at the conclusion of Mass on Pentecost Sunday.
Pastor and Author Dan Phillips wittily commented,  "So much for the doctrine of once poped always poped."

Another story about this possessed man is here.

If an unsaved pope or priest tries to cast out satan, it is like the time when the Pharisees said that Jesus cast out demons by the power of satan. Satan cannot cast out satan. The Sons of Sceva tried.

"Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took on them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you? …" (Acts 19:13-15; also Matthew 12:25-27a).

The possessed man rose up and beat the Sons of Sceva out of their clothes! (Acts 19:16).

To paraphrase using today's example, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are you, Pope Francis and Gabriele Amorth?"

What of today's Christian casting out demons? Can a Christian cast out a demon?  GotQuestions says,
"Interestingly, there seems to be a shift in the latter part of the New Testament regarding demonic warfare. The teaching portions of the New Testament (Romans through Jude) refer to demonic activity, yet do not discuss the actions of casting them out, nor are believers exhorted to do so. We are told to put on the armor to stand against them (Ephesians 6:10-18). We are told to resist the devil (James 4:7), be careful of him (1 Peter 5:8), and not give him room in our lives (Ephesians 4:27). However, we are not told how to cast him or his demons out of others, or that we should even consider doing so."
What of binding and loosing satan? Does a Christian have the power to do that today? No.

"Jesus had power over demons. The Apostles had power over demons, but that's where it ended. And that's why the Sons of Sceva said in the book of Acts, 'Jesus we know and Paul we know, but who are you?' when some erstwhile Jews tried to exercise power over demons. We don't tell satan what to do. We resist him by resisting his field of temptation. By resisting his influence. By resisting the power that he has unleashed in the world around us, which finds its way into our flesh and solicits sin. You resist the devil by being strong in the Lord and strong in His word, that's how you overcome him." (source)

If Mr Amorth has had any 'success' in casting out a demon it is because the demon wanted to go. And if it wants to come back, it will.
Return of an Unclean Spirit
“When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.” (Matthew 12:43-45)
Additionally, an unsaved person may have decided to reform, morally. Maybe they were in prison and decided not to do any more crimes when they were released. Maybe an adulterer decided to stop fooling around. Maybe a person joined a church and is pressured to 'do good'. A person can clean up their act, to a degree. Then a demon will leave.

But nature abhors a vacuum, and if they do not allow Jesus in to their empty heart, their moral transformation will end. It may be after a short amount of time or a long time, but their final state will be worse than the first. The demon will come back, likely bringing a lot of his friends with him.

But what of Mr Amorth's 'success' all these long years in casting out demons? I am sure he would say to you that he has seen and heard many things in his work that convinces him he is a true exorcist. Satan can appear by deception to have been exorcised, because it is obvious from the bible that false apostles appear to exorcise. The Pharisees made reference to that when the charged Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub. (Matthew 12:25-27a). Jesus will shockingly tell the false ones on His day that though they performed exorcisms, they never knew Jesus.

"Not every one who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and do many mighty works in Your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7:21-23, emphasis mine)

Christians can be oppressed. That is, satan has power that he has unleashed in the world around us, which finds its way into our flesh and solicits sin. But possessed? No.

A believer was in the kingdom of satan but when Jesus saves them, they now dwell in the kingdom of God. They are a possession of Jesus, not of satan any longer. We are His purchased possession! (Ephesians 1:14).

"who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works." (Titus 2:14)

"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:9)

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Further reading:

Is it possible for a Christian to be demon-possessed?

Can a Christian today perform an exorcism?

How to know if you are a real Christian?

A Believer's Assurance: A Practical Guide to Victory over Doubt

9 comments:

  1. I strongly suggest you research the RCC and Father Amorth more thoroughly before you make such negative comments. You don't know what you don't know.

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    1. I have researched the RCC thoroughly. What in your opinion did I get wrong?

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  2. You made several inaccurate statements in your article. But, you're probably just stating what you've been told. Sadly, there are many myths and misunderstandings about Catholicism. As Archbishop Fulton Sheen said, "There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church - which is, of course, quite a different thing."

    You state the Catholic Church is a false religion, Catholics have no access to heaven, Catholics are not friends of Jesus, are without the Holy Spirit and are friends of Satan. This is the opposite of the truth. If you study the history of Christianity and what the Bible reveals about this, it will help you discover the truth of the Catholic faith.

    I wish you could sit down with a practicing Catholic and really learn about the riches of the Catholic faith. If you did, not only would your viewpoints change, I believe you would join the Catholic Church.

    As for Father Amorth, I have researched his work as an exorcist and the Rite of Exorcism itself and both are based on truth. Father Amorth is a very solid and holy man. I wish every Christian and non-Christian knew what this man knows - it would increase the faith of many.

    May God bless you.



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    1. Hello Dear Anonymous,

      Please tell me, specifically what were my inaccurate statements? Let me know where you see that I have said something wrong and we can go from there.

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    2. I am Italian with a catholic background, I met the wrong catholic people big fan of him. I read Amorth' s book about his battle against Evil forces... Can I really back up a priest like him who still excuses crusades as there were not exorcists at that time? How many innocents were killed just not happy with their theology or kids as well... I know the catholic mentality as when you breath it since you were born as a women you feel offended as we are still seen as second class beings...man can always do whatever they like including saying to us sluts. The church in the end is always backing up the powerful ones, worship money infact in the end there is always a fee for the priest to get married, is this not evil after all?? The last consideration: a part from a few nice and real humble priests the rest of them are rubbish. It is easy to cast away demons but not defeating wars in the world of the starvation problem...why does he not go to cast those demons too as they are the real problems we have as he thinks to be an exorcist? Go to live in Italy where the head office is and then you can talk for real what being a catholic means observing also the one we are talking about.

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  3. You state the Catholic Church is a false religion, and Catholics are not friends of Jesus, are without the Holy Spirit and are friends of Satan. The history of the Church and the bible indicate otherwise.

    The Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus Christ and continues to be guided by the Holy Spirit to preach the truth to all. Its authority is based on a line of apostolic succession stretching back to the apostles. Satan attacks the Catholic Church, but as Jesus told Peter, "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

    God Bless.

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    1. Hi Anonymous,

      Thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate it. I was hoping for some more specificity in your response rather than a re-statement of my errors.

      I'll offer the following in response. I will be specific- because I am pleading for your soul.

      The notion that Peter was the first pope and has ordained an unbroken line of apostles to lead the RCC is false. Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.”

      Read more here: http://www.gotquestions.org/apostolic-succession.html#ixzz2Wbqy3sWr

      Nowhere does Scripture state that in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is cited in the Bible as infallible. The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture.

      Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/pope-papacy.html#ixzz2WbrYYgQo

      The RCC is a false church because it denies the completion of the work of Jesus on the cross. It believes the following false doctrines: (Catechism of the Catholic Church = CCC)

      --that the the pope is Christ on earth ("vicar" means substitute) & is infallible
      --indulgences (CCC 1471, 1498), purgatory (1498), Mary as co-Redemptrix (CCC 969), Mary as sinless (CCC 508 CCC 49,), Mary as ascended to heaven alive, denial of Jesus's brothers and sisters (Mary as perpetually virginal CCC 721), priests as intermediaries, praying to saints, tradition, and works (CCC 2010, 2068, 2080)- ALL to the variance from holy scripture, which teaches the opposite.

      For ex: in Mark 7:9 Jesus says, “And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.”

      For more comparisons of what the RCC teaches and what the bible teaches, go here
      http://preachersfiles.com/catholicism-refuted-part-one/
      You urged me to sit down with a Catholic to further my education, and that after having a long conversation with him I'd likely convert! And that I have no understanding of the Catholic faith. My parents were catholic and my husband and his family were Catholic, so I am not unfamiliar.

      I have researched the RCC's doctrines, through the Catholic Encyclopedia, the writings about the Council of Trent, papal encyclicals, and the Catechism. I also have had many talks with an elder Catholic man in the past.

      All I can say to you is, Jesus finished His work on the cross and all we need for salvation is to repent and call on Him for grace. (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9)

      He provides salvation, not me. Aren't you tired of trying to maintain your own salvation? Embrace the true faith and the grace of Jesus, and dispense with the falsity of the Roman Catholic Church.

      FYI- "Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?"
      http://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html

      Bless you and may the grace of Jesus save your soul

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  4. Elizabeth, I can more specifically respond to all of your comments. I’ve heard them all before. The Catholic Church has the answers.

    Before proceeding, there is something I am wondering. Are you sincerely interested in hearing the truth about the Catholic Church? Because you are far from it now. Are you able to consider that the Catholic Church is very different than what you've been told?

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    1. I can tell you're not interested in the facts, because I offered very specific cases to you from the RCC CCC and the bible and you ignored them. In addition, they were your own faiths specifics. Further, I shared with you that I have studied personally, not "been told", yet you ignored that too. Last, you say you "will respond" but you had two other opportunities to do that as well, one was a specific request to do so, and yet you have not. I wish you the best, and hope that the verses here will penetrate your mind and heart, to the salvation of your lost soul. Our conversation is now unfortunately at an end.

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