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On one of my older posts, I received yet another comment telling me that I am delusional. Why? Because I believe the Lord's word that He will return for His bride in the rapture and then render wrath onto the sinning world.
"Aw, they've been saying that since the first Christians!" the commenter said. I agree. The Lord told us early on that He will return and take us to where He is. He is preparing a place for us and He will bring us there in His timing.
The passage in 2 Peter 3:1-10 says,
The Day of the Lord Will Come
1This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
8But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,a not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
And it's true, they are saying it. What is also true is that we still believe it. Our Lord does not lie. No lie can pass His lips.
Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible explains about the mockers--
Henry, M. (1994). Matthew Henry’s commentary on the whole Bible: complete and unabridged in one volume (p. 2439). Peabody: Hendrickson.
The Lord will return for His Bride. The Lord has made me ready by His grace. Since then I seek to live a holy life among the priesthood of believers and as a witness to the very ones who scoff at His soon return. So the question is, are you ready?
"Aw, they've been saying that since the first Christians!" the commenter said. I agree. The Lord told us early on that He will return and take us to where He is. He is preparing a place for us and He will bring us there in His timing.
The passage in 2 Peter 3:1-10 says,
The Day of the Lord Will Come
1This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
8But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,a not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
And it's true, they are saying it. What is also true is that we still believe it. Our Lord does not lie. No lie can pass His lips.
Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible explains about the mockers--
Now therefore let us see how this point stands, both on the believer’s part and on the part of these seducers: the believer not only desires that he may come, but, having a promise that he will come, a promise that he himself has made and often repeated, a promise received and reported by faithful witnesses, and left upon sure record, he is also firmly and fully persuaded that he will come:
on the other hand, these seducers, because they wish he never may, therefore do all that in them lies to cheat themselves and others into a persuasion that he will never come. If they cannot deny that there is a promise, yet they will laugh at that very promise, which argues much higher degrees of infidelity and contempt: Where is the promise, say they, of his coming?
III. We are also forewarned of the method of their reasoning, for while they laugh they will pretend to argue too. To this purpose they add that since the fathers fell asleep all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation, v. 4. This is a subtle, though not a solid way of reasoning; it is apt to make impressions upon weak minds, and especially upon wicked hearts. Because sentence against them is not speedily executed, therefore they flatter themselves that it never will, whereupon their hearts are fully set in them to do evil (Eccl. 8:11);
thus they act themselves, and thus they would persuade others to act; so here, say they, “The fathers have fallen asleep, those are all dead to whom the promise was made, and it was never made good in their time, and there is no likelihood that it ever will be in any time; why should we trouble ourselves about it? If there had been any truth or certainty in the promise you speak of, we should surely have seen somewhat of it before this time, some signs of his coming, some preparatory steps in order to it; whereas we find to this very day all things continue as they were, without any change, even from the beginning of the creation.Since the world has undergone no changes in the course of so many thousand years, why should we affright ourselves as if it were to have an end?”
Thus do these scoffers argue. Because they see no changes, therefore they fear not God, Ps. 55:19. They neither fear him nor his judgments; what he never has done they would conclude he never can do or never will.
IV. Here is the falsehood of their argument detected. Whereas they confidently had said there had not been any change from the beginning of the creation, the apostle puts us in remembrance of a change already past, which, in a manner, equals that which we are called to expect and look for, which was the drowning of the world in the days of Noah. This these scoffers had overlooked; they took no notice of it. Though they might have known it, and ought to have known it, yet this they willingly are ignorant of (v. 5), they choose to pass it over in silence, as if they had never heard or known any thing of it; if they knew it, they did not like to retain it in their knowledge; they did not receive this truth in the love of it, neither did they care to own it.
Note, It is hard to persuade men to believe what they are not willing to find true; they are ignorant, in many cases, because they are willing to be ignorant, and they do not know because they do not care to know. But let not sinners think that such ignorance as this will be admitted as an excuse for whatever sin it may betray them into.
Henry, M. (1994). Matthew Henry’s commentary on the whole Bible: complete and unabridged in one volume (p. 2439). Peabody: Hendrickson.
The Lord will return for His Bride. The Lord has made me ready by His grace. Since then I seek to live a holy life among the priesthood of believers and as a witness to the very ones who scoff at His soon return. So the question is, are you ready?
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"Rapture and 'then' render wrath."
ReplyDeleteMany prerapture believers use 'we are not appointed to God's wrath' as the knockout blow to prove the timing. The 'not appointed for wrath MUST mean that we are not present on the earth when those seals are opened' position is a false assumption. It could mean it, but it doesn't 'must' mean it.
Two major events in the bible revealed God's wrath on the earth, while His chosen remained present on the earth. Noah in the flood and the Israelites enslaved under pharoah. Each received a hedge of protection (the ark and the Passover sprinkling of blood) from God's wrath while living amongst the people.
Could it be different this time? I am intellectually honest enough to say, yes of course. But the 'not appointed to God's wrath' position to prove otherwise is based on a false assumption and is disingenuous.
Now regarding scoffers, I completely empathsize. This could apply to people attacking prerapture believers prior to the rapture, but it could just as easily apply to the same people attacking prerapture believers after the tribulation has started and we are still here. Either way scoffing is unkind and meant to tear down rather than build up. I will never scoff and always remain in love for my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
Regardless of the timing, I am ready.
It's not about being "intellectually honest" (or dishonest) as your implication goes. It is about being biblically accurate. The entire pre-tribulation rapture does not hinge on he verse you mentioned and I'll give the actual address, 1 Thess 5:9, but it is a plain text that does state something unequivocal, and we know from proper hermeneutic interpretive standards one does not dismiss plain text simply because one wants to.
DeleteFurther, if one is being "intellectually honest," I don't know why someone would *dismiss* that verse and claim it is "disingenuous" and "false". But your method of attempting to disprove what the bible states implicitly and explicitly is a common one; haughtiness & condescension, sly ad hominem attack, mixing apples and oranges (Noah and Pharaoh against rapture), and failure to provide actual verses to support one's contention.
There are many, MANY biblically laid out reasons why the church will not be on earth to experience the pouring out of God's judgments. The Flood and Pharaoh have nothing to do with them. Normally at this point I'd lay these reasons out, but we have gone back and forth enough on this over the years. I'd encourage you to apply your intellectual honesty to study further.
I didn't dismiss the verse. I am saying it can't be assumed this implies we won't be present. Apples and oranges? Is Jesus not called the "Passover lamb"? Faith in the atoning blood of Christ will redeem us from God's wrath, perhaps even a modern day passover. God only knows, but definitely not apples to oranges.
DeleteYour assumptions about the state of my heart, my level of pride and my evil intent is disconserting. Being in disagreement does not mean scoffing, which implies an unclean spirit. I continue to come to your blog because I like what you write. I rarely comment anymore, because you have screened my comments in the past, even ones that agree with you.