Elizabeth, have you ever considered researching and writing a history of how women got INTO the pulpit in the first place? They were never supposed to be in those positions, not then, not now. Who agreed to them being there, which was the first one that became popular enough to make in-rows into ministry?
Maybe Aimee Semple McPherson would be a good start. She left her husband after 'hearing' from God that her voice shouldn't be silenced and then went on to be leader of the most famous Angelus Temple in California. And today we have Heidi Baker whose ministry in Africa sadly exposes them to her dangerous heretical teachings. Check out some of the uber creepy YouTubes on that woman. Something very wrong. Both of these women have claims of notoriety of helping the poor but they brought/bring dangerous teachings along with that help. What does John MacArthur call that – cargo gods?
Yes that is a good idea. McPherson would be a good start. She is a significant compass point on the journey toward apostasy.
At one time recently, I did look up a list of denominations across the globe that had made a vote or some kind of significant policy change to allow women preachers. It goes back longer that I'd have thought.
Sorry, John MacArthur called WWII planes ‘cargo cults’ because they brought in food and clothing and supplies and the people made ‘cargo gods’. He used this as an analogy for the modern day charismatic movement that brings in their own ‘cargo cults’ which is a very good parallel.
Recently Heidi Baker was in the news and people are fierce to defend her, willing to bypass the demonic, maniacal cackle she often sprouts with her strange outbursts of words that are supposed to be anointed while falling to the floor, writhing, laughing before she gets into her message. Naturally they don’t record the front-man who starts off her conferences by using manipulative photos of starving and poorly dressed children so the people will open their wallets. Keeps Baker at a distance from the obvious sham. All her talk of raising the dead, making the blind to see, the deaf to hear is just demonic. But they defend her because she is so giving and loving. Like MacArthur says this allows one to bring in false teaching, in this case Africa. I just get sick to my stomach when I hear of these wicked women. But I get even angrier when I hear how people follow and defend them. I heard the same stories about Aimee Semple McPherson – collecting and giving to the poor. She was a real charlatan. Nothing holy about how these 2. And the ‘poor people’ are robbed of the Gospel that could save their souls.
1. Debate by Dr. Ben Bogard with Aimee Semple McPherson: http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/debates/bogard.pdf 2. YouTube of Heidi Baker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DM5FmZxBQI
I am looking forward to seeing what your research comes up with. Similar to what John MacArthur’s Strange Fire did by tracing the roots. I found that very interesting and helpful.
Elizabeth, have you ever considered researching and writing a history of how women got INTO the pulpit in the first place? They were never supposed to be in those positions, not then, not now. Who agreed to them being there, which was the first one that became popular enough to make in-rows into ministry?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Aimee Semple McPherson would be a good start. She left her husband after 'hearing' from God that her voice shouldn't be silenced and then went on to be leader of the most famous Angelus Temple in California. And today we have Heidi Baker whose ministry in Africa sadly exposes them to her dangerous heretical teachings. Check out some of the uber creepy YouTubes on that woman. Something very wrong. Both of these women have claims of notoriety of helping the poor but they brought/bring dangerous teachings along with that help. What does John MacArthur call that – cargo gods?
Just curious if you would do that.
Hi Anonymous,
DeleteYes that is a good idea. McPherson would be a good start. She is a significant compass point on the journey toward apostasy.
At one time recently, I did look up a list of denominations across the globe that had made a vote or some kind of significant policy change to allow women preachers. It goes back longer that I'd have thought.
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-63/does-god-promise-health-and-wealth-part-1
ReplyDeleteSorry, John MacArthur called WWII planes ‘cargo cults’ because they brought in food and clothing and supplies and the people made ‘cargo gods’. He used this as an analogy for the modern day charismatic movement that brings in their own ‘cargo cults’ which is a very good parallel.
Recently Heidi Baker was in the news and people are fierce to defend her, willing to bypass the demonic, maniacal cackle she often sprouts with her strange outbursts of words that are supposed to be anointed while falling to the floor, writhing, laughing before she gets into her message. Naturally they don’t record the front-man who starts off her conferences by using manipulative photos of starving and poorly dressed children so the people will open their wallets. Keeps Baker at a distance from the obvious sham. All her talk of raising the dead, making the blind to see, the deaf to hear is just demonic. But they defend her because she is so giving and loving. Like MacArthur says this allows one to bring in false teaching, in this case Africa. I just get sick to my stomach when I hear of these wicked women. But I get even angrier when I hear how people follow and defend them. I heard the same stories about Aimee Semple McPherson – collecting and giving to the poor. She was a real charlatan. Nothing holy about how these 2. And the ‘poor people’ are robbed of the Gospel that could save their souls.
1. Debate by Dr. Ben Bogard with Aimee Semple McPherson: http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/debates/bogard.pdf
2. YouTube of Heidi Baker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DM5FmZxBQI
I am looking forward to seeing what your research comes up with. Similar to what John MacArthur’s Strange Fire did by tracing the roots. I found that very interesting and helpful.
Hi Anonymous,
DeleteIt is a good idea but I am not committing to it right now. I have other things on the front burner first. I'm sorry for any confusion.
I know that people underestimate Heidi Baker's influence. She is a very evil false prophet.