Tuesday, July 26, 2016

Beth Moore's "Bus Stop vision" was not from God, here's why

A new video clip of Beth Moore speaking to a group of people, filmed by Trinity Broadcasting, is making the rounds. It is a 5-minute clip excised from her 30-minute broadcast on that TBN schedule. It shows Moore relating a story of a vision she received when she had been in prayer. Since it seems the clip cannot be embedded, I am going to synopsize the anecdote for you and then explain why this vision she has allegedly received from "God" is untrue and a demonic deception.

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She said that as she prayed "as plain as day" God put a picture "in her mind" of a Houston Bus Stop. It was a particular stop that was about 30 minutes from her home. It was definitely not a stop that was close to her home, as she saw it clearly "in her heart". She explained that she "jotted down what she felt like God was saying. He didn't speak to me out loud, I felt it "in my spirit."

What she said she "jotted down" as her "note" was,
"Take money with you, I will show you who to give it to." ~God
Moore can aver all she wants that she isn't hearing "God" audibly, but she wrote down exactly what "God" said, didn't she. The statement from the entity she says is God is in the first person, isn't it. If it's first person command from God, it is authoritative, and it is scripture. God can't be any less authoritative with Moore than He was with Habakkuk when He said to write it down, can He? So Moore "jotted down" a "note" in response to the God of the Universe commanding her in first person. Such a casual response, isn't it.

Back to the vision.

She then went to the ATM to get money for this jaunt, and she said "I believe I know in my heart how much it was supposed to be. Then I go to the mall and run my errands. It's my husband's birthday in a few days."

Let's stop here. We are one minute and five seconds into the description of the vision. There are many contradictions already.

Ever since Moore has been criticized for her alleged visions, she has changed her story to now say that she does not hear God audibly. In this clip within the first 45 seconds she said she received her summons and command from God-

In her mind.
In her heart.
In her spirit.
In a picture.
Intuition. (regarding the $$)

It's never this unclear when God spoke to the Prophets or Apostles, especially within the same vision. We read that "The Lord said..." He speaks to the prophet, the prophet hears it, records the words, or he performs the task. It's not rocket science. Enough with the inaudible, intuitive, mind-spirit-heart pictures already.

Now to my main point. What we also notice in the Bible is that when the Lord says "Arise and go" or "Follow me" they arise and go. Immediately. At once.

When Jesus said "Come, follow Me", to the fishermen disciples … "And at once they left their nets and followed Him". (Mt 4:20). At once.

When Jesus said 'follow me' to Matthew, didn't he jump up from his tax booth and follow Jesus right then? (Mark 2:14).

And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax booth, and he said to him, "Follow me." And he rose and followed him.

And, didn't Jesus say to the man who had errands to do first, "Let the dead bury the dead" and to the other man who wanted to say goodbye to his family, "Anyone who puts the hand to the plow and looks back isn’t worthy"... (Matthew 8:22; Luke 9:62). When the God of the universe says go do something, you do it at once, or you’re not worthy to follow Him.

Yet, let me understand this. According to Beth Moore, "God" said to Beth Moore, 'GO TO THE BUS STOP!' but Beth Moore went shopping first!? You notice she squeezed God into her schedule and went to the mall first since it was on her way. She actually said that. Since this particular mall was out near the Bus Stop she had been divinely commanded to appear at, she would do her errands there. Convenient. Moore bought birthday stuff first, BEFORE heading to the bus stop that God told her to go to.

I can just see her notes she said she "jotted down."

1. Keith’s b-day.
2. Bus stop for God.
3. Get gas.
4. Pick up milk.

If she was truly hearing from God she would have obeyed immediately. Hearing from God elicits a response in the soul that is convicting, immediate, because the command comes from the ultimate authoritative source. The response of the Prophets and Apostles and Disciples who actually heard from God responded immediately. We see that in just the few examples I shared from the Bible, and there are many other examples. Moreover, He said anyone who does errands first is not worthy to follow Him. What He was saying there is that He is the priority at any given moment.

Moore squeezing God into her schedule to make it more convenient for her day is not Christian obedience. She is actually teaching her listeners to diminish God's authority by demonstrating her casual and disdainful response to His command. She is showing her audience how to satisfy the flesh before you obey God. And she is teaching them to deny the sufficiency of scripture by claiming to have heard from "God," and further diminish scripture because she wrote what he "said" in first person. Or had "jotted down" the "note". As my friend said on Facebook as per our conversation about this 'vision', giving the Apostle John in Revelation 1:10 the same kind of response Moore gave,
I was in the Spirit on Patmos when the Lord came to me. I said, "Hold on a minute, I'm making some fish for my wife's birthday dinner."
Sadly, aside from the thousands to tens of thousands or millions who tuned in to her show on TBN and saw it originally, a quarter of a million people have additionally viewed the clip that was posted later. We are truly living in a time of deep biblical illiteracy. You can combat that by reading your Bible and praying for the wisdom from the Spirit to illuminate it to your mind.

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)


The clip is also on GodTube here.

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Further Reading

Essay: What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?

Essay: Is God a Bad Communicator?

Sermon: Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word Faith movement

Video clip WWUTT: Visions and Voices from God (Beth Moore, 1:30 min)
"How can we know if what they are hearing or seeing is truly from the Lord? There is a very simple test you can apply. Does their personal revelation agree with the Bible? If the answer is no, they are either making stuff up or the voice they are hearing isn't from God. If the answer is yes, then you don't need their word or vision, it's in the Bible. ..."
Audio clip: When We Understand the Text (WWUTT).
Taking a couple questions from listeners, one is a criticism and another looking for clarification on the WWUTT video featuring Beth Moore. (20 minutes).

4 comments :

  1. "We are truly living in a time of deep biblical illiteracy."

    Understatement of the... (definitely more than year, even more than decade)...

    I honestly don't pay any attention to BM, at all. The admonishment in Scripture to have "nothing to do" with these types has worked fine for me.

    That said, what BM did/said here is like spiritual vaudeville. Can't believe anyone would take this seriously or mistake this for legitimate Christian faith.

    SMH

    -Carolyn

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    1. Well said Carolyn. Especially this comment, "Can't believe anyone would take this seriously or mistake this for legitimate Christian faith." I was grieved to see how many hundreds of thousands had tuned in to see the clip and I know how many people watch TBN, millions. I'm daily astounded at how superficial and aberrant the visible faith has become.

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    2. "Daily astounded" - you said that well.

      Paul admonished the church of his age (and by extension to all of us via the inspired written word) that they were not ready for solid meat for indeed they were still on milk... Yet today, it appears most can't even handle milk.

      The time has indeed arrived that they will not endure sound doctrine.

      -Carolyn

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  2. It would be funny if it wasn't so deadly.

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