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In 2005, Beth Moore was interviewed by Today's Christian Woman magazine. They asked Moore:
Q. What led you to Jesus?
A. Beth Moore's [2005] answer:
It's a testimony devoid of essential Gospel elements such as sin or repentance, but rife with romantic eroticism. Sarah Young describes her experience this way:
Such romanticism is not new nor did it originate with Protestants. Some Catholic mystics were adept at seeking and enjoying such unions. These women were popular in the Middle Ages. Here is an explanation of this kind of conversion story related to a famous Catholic mystic, Teresa of Avila:
These "mysti-chicks" such as Voskamp, Moore, Kim Walker Smith and Young, also mention that they have experienced bridal mysticism's heightened senses and a clarity of thought, and third, they say they continually hear God or see angels or have habitual visions. Just as the Catholic encyclopedia says occurs in their descriptions of what they claim is the state of bridal mysticism.
Compare those flimsy, feelings & emotion saturated female ecstasy conversion stories with a real conversion story. This one is drenched in the scriptures.
Beth Moore's conversion answer to the Christian reporter was terribly sad in its absence of anything remotely Gospel. A mysti-chick seeking a handsome hero to enfold her and keep her forever is a conversion story more attuned to bridal mysticism than the gritty realty of a repentant sinner saved by grace through faith.
And that's bridal mysticism. As for the second part of my original question, why is it so prevalent? It is because apostasy is always present. As long as Christianity exists in this age, there will be those who claim to possess a transformed heart but do not possess one.
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1)
Some of these people making the claim will be teachers, pastors, leaders. If you believe that false converts should be easy to spot, you're wrong. Judas lived intimately with the disciples and Jesus for three and a half years and none of the disciples even suggested Judas as the false one when Jesus said there is one among them. Philip baptized Simon the Sorcerer, who later was cursed because he thought he could obtain the Spirit by money. Demas walked with Paul, the greatest evangelist on earth, but he showed his true colors when he left Paul because he loved the world more.
If the Disciples, Philip, and Paul could not initially spot a false convert under their nose, neither can we. However, false converts always do or say something eventually to reveal who they really are.
So, mysti-chicks did not originate with post-modern Christianity, nor did they originate in the Middle Ages' Catholic bridal mysticism. They've been around as long as metaphorical Jezebel, whom Jesus threatened to strike dead. (Revelation 2:20-23). Be wary of teachers who have a conversion story absent of the necessary elements, who have added elements, or who have relied on some sort of temporal experience as the basis for their conversion. They must have a clear view of who Jesus is, and who they are, from the start. Not a mature perspective, because converts are babes in Christ, but a correct one. A house built on sand will not last.
For the ladies who wonder if it is OK to read or study under these false female teachers' earlier works, 'when they still seemed solid,' just remember their conversion was based on sand. They were never solid.
Build Your House on the Rock
"Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:24-27).
See below the conversion story of a 16 year old Charles Spurgeon, compared to the teenage Beth Moore conversion. House of sand indeed.
Q. What led you to Jesus?
A. Beth Moore's [2005] answer:
My Sunday-school teacher would hold up pictures of Jesus, and he looked so nice. I needed a hero, and Jesus seemed like one. I'd lie on the grass, stare up at the sky, and wonder what Jesus was like. Even as a child, I fell in love with him.If that sounds familiar, it's because it is very much like many other false teachers' conversion stories.
After my freshman year in college, I was a camp counselor for sixth-grade girls. Early one morning, as the girls were sleeping, I sensed God's presence enfold me. There were no audible words, no bright lights. But suddenly I knew, without a doubt, my future was entirely his. You are now mine, he told me. (source)
It's a testimony devoid of essential Gospel elements such as sin or repentance, but rife with romantic eroticism. Sarah Young describes her experience this way:
Suddenly I felt as if a warm mist enveloped me. I became aware of a lovely Presence, and my involuntary response was to whisper, ‘Sweet Jesus.’ This utterance was totally uncharacteristic of me, and I was shocked to hear myself speaking so tenderly to Jesus. As I pondered this brief communication, I realized it was the response of a converted heart; at that moment I knew I belonged to Him. (source)Bob Dewaay explains the problems with such erotic romanticism.
The Bible speaks of the church as the Bride of Christ but does not describe the universal call of the gospel in sensual terms of a lover pursuing His love interest (who may have no interest in return). God is commanding sinners to repent. The gospel calls for repentance and faith, not romantic feelings looking for satisfaction. Voskamp's romanticism is enhanced by her skill at describing things in a most sensual manner. The sensual terminology is designed to create a mood, a feeling, a sense of romantic mystery that longs for discovery and fulfillment. Those like me who relish clear description of theological concepts meant to be understood and discerned, will be horribly frustrated by the book. Her book is not meant to be a theological text filled with ideas to be judged true or false, but is instead a literary piece filled with feelings to be relished.Conversion and life in Christ is not the fulfillment from a young girl's romantic heart, yearning for a boyfriend. It's the majestic gift of grace from a powerful but merciful God who draws people to Himself and forgives of sin, making them a new creation. Moore's yearning for a heroic boyfriend is not the same as Godly reconciliation and peace from the spiritual battle in which all are engaged. Sadly, Moore has built a career on the false premise, and many millions have followed her down that path.
Such romanticism is not new nor did it originate with Protestants. Some Catholic mystics were adept at seeking and enjoying such unions. These women were popular in the Middle Ages. Here is an explanation of this kind of conversion story related to a famous Catholic mystic, Teresa of Avila:
Teresa described the soul's intense desire for God in the language of erotic passion. In this, she belongs to a long tradition of mystical experience that is known as bridal mysticism. ...
The symbolism of bridal mysticism is found already in early gnostic forms of Christianity, where the central sacrament is called the Bridal Chamber. There the feminine soul of the gnostic unites with the masculine spirit and is in this way spiritualized, that is, liberated from the limitations of mundane existence.The Catholic Encyclopedia explains mystical marriage:
In a more restricted sense, the term mystical marriage is employed by St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross to designate that mystical union with God which is the most exalted condition attainable by the soul in this life. ... This state consists of three elements:
1. The first is an almost continual sense of the presence of God, even in the midst of external occupations.You notice in the writings of these women, especially Voskamp and Young, they mention "Presence". That's mystical bridal union state #1. For example, Voskamp wrote,
2. The second element is a transformation of the higher faculties in respect to their mode of operation: hence the name "transforming union";
3. The third element consists in an habitual vision of the Blessed Trinity or of some Divine attribute.
The practice of giving thanks . . . eucharisteo . . . this is the way we practice the presence of God, stay present to His presence, and it is always a practice of the eyes.This notion of continual presence and feeling it tangibly comes from a book written by Brother Lawrence, called Practicing the Presence, who was, you guessed it, a 17th century Catholic mystic.
These "mysti-chicks" such as Voskamp, Moore, Kim Walker Smith and Young, also mention that they have experienced bridal mysticism's heightened senses and a clarity of thought, and third, they say they continually hear God or see angels or have habitual visions. Just as the Catholic encyclopedia says occurs in their descriptions of what they claim is the state of bridal mysticism.
Compare those flimsy, feelings & emotion saturated female ecstasy conversion stories with a real conversion story. This one is drenched in the scriptures.
Beth Moore's conversion answer to the Christian reporter was terribly sad in its absence of anything remotely Gospel. A mysti-chick seeking a handsome hero to enfold her and keep her forever is a conversion story more attuned to bridal mysticism than the gritty realty of a repentant sinner saved by grace through faith.
And that's bridal mysticism. As for the second part of my original question, why is it so prevalent? It is because apostasy is always present. As long as Christianity exists in this age, there will be those who claim to possess a transformed heart but do not possess one.
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1)
Some of these people making the claim will be teachers, pastors, leaders. If you believe that false converts should be easy to spot, you're wrong. Judas lived intimately with the disciples and Jesus for three and a half years and none of the disciples even suggested Judas as the false one when Jesus said there is one among them. Philip baptized Simon the Sorcerer, who later was cursed because he thought he could obtain the Spirit by money. Demas walked with Paul, the greatest evangelist on earth, but he showed his true colors when he left Paul because he loved the world more.
If the Disciples, Philip, and Paul could not initially spot a false convert under their nose, neither can we. However, false converts always do or say something eventually to reveal who they really are.
So, mysti-chicks did not originate with post-modern Christianity, nor did they originate in the Middle Ages' Catholic bridal mysticism. They've been around as long as metaphorical Jezebel, whom Jesus threatened to strike dead. (Revelation 2:20-23). Be wary of teachers who have a conversion story absent of the necessary elements, who have added elements, or who have relied on some sort of temporal experience as the basis for their conversion. They must have a clear view of who Jesus is, and who they are, from the start. Not a mature perspective, because converts are babes in Christ, but a correct one. A house built on sand will not last.
For the ladies who wonder if it is OK to read or study under these false female teachers' earlier works, 'when they still seemed solid,' just remember their conversion was based on sand. They were never solid.
Build Your House on the Rock
"Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:24-27).
See below the conversion story of a 16 year old Charles Spurgeon, compared to the teenage Beth Moore conversion. House of sand indeed.
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I am so tired of all the fluff in the Christian world. I'm even more tired of (and frustrated with) the Christians who are so easily taken in by it, and feel anger toward the people who are leading them in this way. Discernment seems to be a lost concept. Thankful for your blog where you speak the TRUTH!!
ReplyDeleteYou are right Tricia. I just shake my head at most of the things some Christians are into. There seems to be little discernment and much compromise. None of us are perfect, but when I try to share things as a warning or food for thought, I'm usually met with a why are you pointing this out attitude and you don't know all of the story so don't judge. It's to the point where no one is interested in talking about things and seeing if those things line up with the Bible or not. Very frustrating.
DeleteThank you as always for a timely article
ReplyDeleteThis is an enormously important topic which you have done an excellent job of addressing.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Sarah Young, my cousin gave me a copy of "Jesus Calling" because she reads it daily and wanted us to "be on the same page". What a sweet sentiment, I thought, but as soon as I investigated the book, I found myself at the bookstore trading in the book for a very attractive couple of Peter Rabbit coffee mugs.
Honestly I question the Biblical justification of women teaching doctrine, even to other women.
P.S. I just stumbled upon your blog by googling "how can chip and joanna be so successful and still have time for their kids?" :-)
Hi Janet,
DeleteYou're welcome. I'm glad you found it helpful! I think it's important as well, but sadly many women proceed based on romantic feelings and not what the Bible says. It's a praise to the Lord that you had enough discernment to detect right away that Jesus Calling was bunk.
Women teaching other women is allowable. Titus 2:4 and also Lois and Eunice were commended for teaching young Mark so well. 2 Tim 1:5.
I wondered the same thing about Joanna Gaines. Since I wrote that essay exploring your very question, she has opened at least five new businesses and gone on a cross-country book tour. It's impossible to be a 'stay at home mom' with 'plenty of time for the kids' when she is living the high career executive-mogul track. Impossible.
Those kind of sensual spiritual experiences are very correlated to demonic activity. Let me explain to you what they are about: in the new age, there is a trend called the twin flame. It can manifest spiritually and then physically. Normally, a woman who started having paranormal manifestations because of demonization will start feeling "someone" is with her, someone whispers to her ear, and even she will feel someone in her dreams or even while relaxing is making love to her. Many women in the new age say they feel the "soul of their twin flame" that visits them and makes love to them.
ReplyDeleteThe sexual feelings have to do with kundalini triggers in the body caused by the demon or fallen angel posing as a twin flame. These woman can have orgasms without any kind of stimulation just because of the kundalini triggers. That was exactly what Teresa de Avila experienced! I did some research to see the correlation of these women in the new age and witches with the sensual experiences of St. Teresa and bingo! they were the same. St. Teresa calls this "mystical marriage" and she thinks it is a marriage with Jesus (with sexual feelings and all) and in the occult they call it "hieros gamos". Women fall heads over hills in love with this spirit manifestation and it is hard for them to see this is some sort of vampiric activity where a familiar spirit is manipulating them and draining them of energy. Witches report all the time to have astral lovers.
Unfortunately, many women might be mistaking a familiar spirit with the spirit of Jesus... this is why they take literally this husband-wife relationship. Familiar spirits will pose as anything as long as they can deceive the victims, specially women as we are very romantic. If you see the sculptures of St. Teresa de Avila it is evident that in her "mystical" experiences she was like making love to something. Pretty scary stuff.
There are so many misconceptions here I don't know where to start. (As in the main article too). I'm a Catholic who has read St Teresa of Avila. She did NOT have "sexual feelings". Her experience was spiritual and pure. Her language is intense because it was spiritually intense and it's hard to describe. The images show her in great consolation- if people only see impurity there, that is only in their eyes. Furthermore, these Saints and others that have a spousal relationship with Jesus do NOT have the same experiences you described in the new age. They dont feel some presence "making love to them". It is even repulsive to write this as its untrue. They may feel Jesus close but its not like that. If Jesus embraced you would you think that's wrong? That isnt "impure". Plus they do not have sexual feelings unless their nature mistakes spiritual consolation for something else, and in that case it would be unwanted and accidental. That can happen if a person isn't fully purified yet but not later.. do you see love and spiritual consolation and feeling Jesus near as impure? Its not though. Faith is not JUST intellectual though it involves reason.
DeleteAnonymous, Teresa of Avila's writing clearly has sexual overtones. It was not pure but sensuous ecstasy mixed with the mystical and religious. The connection between sexual pleasure and spiritual ecstasy is common in mystical literature such as Teresa's. The eroticism is intense, for example, in Bernini's famous sculpture Ecstasy of Saint Teresa - based from her own writing.
DeleteAs for the spousal relationship, every. Christian has a spousal realtionship with jesus, He is the groom, the body of the global church is the Bride. Vows of celibacy are not biblical as far as normal life goes. If one is not married, one remains celibate. Taking "a vow of celibacy" is not necessary, becuase it is biblically commanded to be the default state of unmarrieds, (1 Cor 7:8) while sexual activity is mandated for the marrieds. (1 Cor 7:2,5)
You are missing the fact that many of these Catholic Saints made a vow of chastity. Their relationship with Jesus was spousal in a spiritual way and pure. They did not indulge in sexual feelings.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, see my reply above.
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