Predestination means people are elected as vessels of wrath, too. Part 1

A few days ago I'd posted an essay about predestination. This is the doctrine where the Bible teaches that God is completely sovereign over everything that happens, including individual salvations. He elects people to salvation, independently and apart from foreknowledge of any decision they make. It's all His grace, and not our decision.

People dislike that doctrine and fight against it. One of the reasons people resist the plain truth of the doctrine is that people want to think that somewhere in their heart or mind, they chose God. However, we are dead in sins and trespasses and have no ability to choose God, or 'make a decision' about our salvation. It is granted to us. (Galatians 3:22). We have no part in it, except the resulting gratitude and service in His name.

The verse to consider today is from Romans 9:21-24

Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

There are vessels of mercy, and there are vessels of wrath. Considering anything regarding God is weighty and should fill the saved and the non-saved with awe and humility. But to really consider His work of judgment should bring to mind the famous comment attributed to martyr John Bradford, "There but for the grace of God go I".

Here is M'Cheyne preaching on the Romans verse. In my opinion, it's brilliant. I posted M'Cheyne's point 2 here, and point 3 here. The full sermon is here.


The Vessels of Wrath Fitted to Destruction

The following sermon preached on the afternoon of March 12, 1843, was the author's last in St. Peter's. "It was observed, both then and on other occasions," says Andrew Bonar, "that he spoke with peculiar strength upon the sovereignty of God." The following evening McCheyne's illness commenced and on Saturday, March 25, he went to the Saviour whose glory he lived to proclaim.
"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory?" - Romans 9:22,23

In a former discourse, brethren, I attempted to show you that the reason why God will punish the wicked eternally is, because he loveth righteousness. It is said in the eleventh Psalm, "Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire, and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup, for the righteous Lord loveth righteousness." I then tried to show you, that God has created hell, and will maintain it for ever, not because He loves human pain - I believe it is not so, nor is it because He is subject to passion, as men speak of passion - but because the righteous Lord loveth righteousness.

And I showed you, as you will remember, what a certainty hell is to the wicked. If it had its origin in the love of human pain, then you might have hoped that it would have an end; or, if it proceeded from passionateness, then it might cool; but ah! when it proceeds from Jehovah's love of righteousness, I see, brethren, in that a reason why "the worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

There is a second question which no doubt has occurred to you: why are there any left unpardoned at all? Why was Adam left to fall? Could God not have held him up? Or, if it was necessary that Adam should fall, in order that Christ might die, why are not all saved? Surely there is efficacy in the blood of Christ to pardon all - why, then, are not all saved? There are many answers to that question which we will know in a higher state of being; but here is one; "What if God, willing to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory?" You will notice, brethren, that in these words the apostle Paul tries to give an answer to that question. He does not answer it directly, he employs a "what if".

Let us enter into this subject a little more deeply. There are three reasons set down here why men are allowed to perish.

I. The first is, that God was willing to show His wrath. These words are terrible. We are told frequently in the Bible of the wrath of God. It is not like human wrath: it is calm, settled - it consists principally in a regard to what is right. This is the wrath of God. We are told a great deal about it in the Bible. It is revealed against all sin. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." - Romans 1:18 Observe the word "all" - it is against all sin. Then Colossians 3:6, "For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience." We are told also, brethren, that this anger is constant. "God is angry with the wicked every day." - Psalms 7:11. The bow of God's justice is, as it were, already bent against the wicked, the arrow of God's is already on the string against the wicked. And then we are told that His wrath is intolerable. In the Psalm which we were singing (Psalms 90:11), it is said, "Who knows the power of thy wrath?" And we are told in Revelation, "The great day of His wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?"

But we learn more by example than even by these declarations. We have many examples of God's wrath and its consequences. The first example we have is, his casting the angels out of heaven. We are told by Jude, "That the angels which kept not their first estate, He hath reserved in everlasting chains, under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day." And we are told by Peter, "That God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment." Now, brethren, in several respects this was one of the greatest examples of divine wrath we have, for it seems to have happened in one day. One day these angels were in heaven - the next in hell. One day they were angels of light - the next fiends of darkness. And then this made it fearful, when the Lord left them no room for repentance. One thing the universe might have learned from this was, that God will certainly punish sin.

Another example of God's punishing sin was not in heaven, but one earth, when He sent the deluge upon it. "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth." And so it came to pass: "The flood came, and carried them all away;" and it has left traces on our world still, to show that God will not fail to punish sin.

Another example of divine vengeance was, when God destroyed Sodom. "Now, the men of Sodom were wicked, and sinners before the Lord exceedingly." The cry of its wickedness went up to heaven, and God sent down two angels, to see if it was according to the cry that came up; and they found it even so; and, when they had taken out just Lot, God rained fire and brimstone upon the devoted city; and he has left traces of it there to this hour.

There was yet another exhibition of divine wrath on earth - it was the death of God's dear Son. If ever there was a time when God could have said that he would forego his wrath it was surely this. It was this for two reasons. First, because the object of that wrath was dear to God. There never was on in the universe so dear to God as his Son. And another reason was, Christ had no sin of his own. Just as his robe was seamless, so was his soul sinless. Nay, brethren, that one act of his - laying down his life, was so glorious, as an exhibition of God's justice, that the universe never saw its "marrow". "Yet it pleased God to bruise him." These words do not give the least shadow of his suffering from God on account of our sin. Brethren, if any thing in the world can show that God will punish sin, it was the death of his dear and sinless Son.

There is one exhibition of his wrath yet to come. Verse 22 - "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?" God is yet to destroy the souls that he has made--not the angels that fell, for he has done that already, when he cast them into hell, but the souls on which he has waited. There is to be a new exhibition of wrath that the world never saw the like of before. He is going to show what he will do to the despisers of his Son - to those who despise his gospel. it will be a new thing when "God will be revealed from heaven in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know him not, and that have not obeyed the gospel." God waits to show his wrath. Ah, brethren! it will be fearful to feel it - it is fearful even to think of it. so I believe it will be with the wicked: they will be beacons, to show how God will punish sin.



  1. Predestination would make repentance meaningless. Like God has to repent for you. Also, it makes Him look childish, as if He just plays with sand castles.

    1. Predestination the way you think of it would make repentance meaningless. Man has no initiative and no ability and no participation in any step of salvation. God predestines, as we saw in the sermon, if you read it. He grants the grace to be saved. God grants the repentance also:

      "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth," 2 Timothy 2:25

      He also gives the faith that sustains us. (Eph 2:8).

      It's HIM all the way.

    2. The existence of God makes the entire concept of predestination meaningless. God can easily imagine multiple universes (infinitely), that is, creating a universe in which both His plan *and* truly free choices do not conflict. If our will weren't an important component, angels would have been sufficient creations. This is luciferian, thinking Humanity has that little merit. Why protect us at all? Love must have an object and a purpose to be "love" and not self-love projected.

  2. This is a deep truth that is vehemently opposed today. Now the song on everyone's lips is "God is love." People tend to think of this doctrine backwards, it seems to me. They accuse God of being unfair when the doctrine of predestination is discussed. What is "unfair" is that undeserving sinners are allowed into heaven, being mercifully chosen by God to have their sins forgiven. Fairness would be to let us all burn, and justly so. Heaven would be populated with only angels if God did not choose some to redeem. This was God's plan from the foundation of the world and men's disapproval has no effect. Christians would be wise to adjust their thinking to align with how God has revealed Himself in scripture. He's not going to change, nor can His vessels of mercy or vessels of wrath be changed. Thank God if your name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world. You are God's beloved and He was gracious to you before you even existed.

    1. well said Sheryl. I liked the part where you said man's disapproval has no effect. He planned this independent of our opinion!

  3. This is a doctrine I struggle with. If some are predestined to heaven and hell then what's the point. If I'm predestined to hell why should I bother to struggle against my sins or to read the Bible and study God's word if ultimately it's meaningless.

    And it's also a direct contradiction to words spoken by Jesus in John 3:16.

    For God so loved the world that He gave his only son that WHOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life

    The verse doesn't say whoever God decided or whoever is written in God's book.

    1. Hi Anonymous,

      I agree, the tension between God's sovereignty in electing individuals to salvation or perdition, and man's responsibility for our own sins, is one that we can't reconcile. But God reconciles it in His mind.

      And you're right, John 3:16 does not say that people are elected to salvation depending on who He wrote on His book. But other verses do say that such as Revelation 20:15, Luke 10:20, Hebrews 12:22-23, Philippians 4:3, Revelation 21:27 Ephesians 1:4...

      John 3:16 means whosoever God has already given Jesus. (John 17:6 & entire chapter, High Priestly Prayer).

      Here is a short article from's Rev. Matt Slick, answering your question about John 3:16.

      Question: John 3:16 as I read it says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, the WHOSOEVER believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life." This tells me that anyone who hears the gospel and believes, shall live forever in heaven. Does this not give the opportunity to everyone, instead of just a select few?

      Answer: The verse does not say that unbelievers have the ability, of their own sinful free will, to receive Christ. Since God is the one who grants that we believe (Philippians 1:29), grants us repentance (2 Timothy 2:25), and works belief in us (John 6:28-29), then we realize that the "whosoever" are those that God has granted the act of believing. Some may not like this explanation, but it is consistent with Scripture. Consider ask 13:48 which says, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Notice that God is the one who points people to eternal life and, according to the text, this is why they believe.

      Also let's not forget 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which says, "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth."

      It is God who chooses us for salvation an appointment eternal life. That is why they believe. Therefore, whosoever believes, has eternal life.

      Technically speaking, John 3:16 does give the opportunity for everyone to receive Christ. The unbelievers will act in a manner consistent with their sinful natures and reject Christ. The Bible tells us that no one can come to the Lord Jesus unless it is been granted him by the Father, (John 6:44). Also we know that God is one who grants repentance (2 Timothy 2:25). we do not know the means by which God chooses who gets saved. But, we can trust that God uses us, our prayers, and our preaching in his divine and sovereign plan to bring into the kingdom of God those whom he has chosen. I like to say that God has ordained from all eternity that we pray and influence him. It's a bit of a paradox, but we have not been granted the information we need to understand how it all works. As Christians, we are to believe that whosoever receives Christ does so because of the work of God. Furthermore, we are to preach the gospel to everyone because it is the means by which God draws out of the world his elect.


Post a Comment